Boris the PM - a new beginning

[Hobbit]

I live in a Tory stronghold surrounded by the 'enemy'... My neighbours advise they are often appalled by the words of Boris and the stance he adopts... They question which natural Tory voters he seeks to appeal to and advise it isn't them... They'll, no doubt, continue to vote for the blue rosette but it will be despite Boris rather than because of him...

So you've told us ad nauseam. We know you're in a Tory stronghold, and would prefer anyone but Tories. Where does that fit in with what I've posted, other than being a vehicle for you to remind us, again, you live in a Tory stronghold and prefer Labour.

All I said is they are as bad as each other, unless you're blinkered. BTW, most of my voting life its been Labour but my blinkers were shed many years ago.

 

[SocketRocket]

Boris use of language is mild compared with the compilation of Labour Front Bench speeches doing the rounds on Twitter and FB today. He hasn't sworn, said he'd knife or strangle anyone.

But of course BIG blind spot on many things exists eh?

These are the people complaining about Boris's language:

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Johnson shouting that Scotland has the highest level of taxes in the UK without saying that they also have the lowest level of taxes in the UK makes him look a bit silly.

 

[SocketRocket]

Johnson shouting that Scotland has the highest level of taxes in the UK without saying that they also have the lowest level of taxes in the UK makes him look a bit silly.

Er! What.

 

[User62651]

Er! What.

Income tax was devolved a year or two back and differs from rUK so that high earners pay a bit more but also low earners a bit less, tax brackets adjusted by ScotGov, I'm guessing that's what DfT is referencing.

 

[SocketRocket]

Income tax was devolved a year or two back and differs from rUK so that high earners pay a bit more but also low earners a bit less, tax brackets adjusted by ScotGov, I'm guessing that's what DfT is referencing.

Ah, I see. If he has said rates rather than level I may have understood.

 

[spongebob59]

Maybe Jezza the Red should stop singing his anthem if hes worried about offensive words

The international socialist movement has long used the Red Flag, and it is the current anthem of the Labour Party, despite including the – supposedly dangerous and offensive – lyrics:

Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer,
We’ll keep the red flag flying here.​

 

[Swinglowandslow]

Quite ridiculous that the super rich Eton public school Tory faction are claiming that 'the establishment' are somehow against them.

Johnson/Gove are so desperate now that all they have left is to appeal to UK extremist groups.
How low has this once great party stooped,

What you mean, the extremist group of 17.4 million people who voted leave.?
Boris and co.are trying to implement the result of the referendum. Even giving you and your lot a chance to get rid of him by voting- But, no, you gave up democracy long ago, it seems.

 

[User62651]

What you mean, the extremist group of 17.4 million people who voted leave.?
Boris and co.are trying to implement the result of the referendum. Even giving you and your lot a chance to get rid of him by voting- But, no, you gave up democracy long ago, it seems.

Yes they are but remember the motivation - Boris is not doing this for 17.4m or for the UK, he is doing it purely for himself so he can survive as PM. He was never a true Leaver, it was a vehicle to get to No.10. He is a chancer.
Whilst I'm no fan of Farage at least his motivation for Brexit is real and genuine.

 

[Swinglowandslow]

I know some people feel its deflection but just who out of the main protagonists from both sides of the arguments and across the political parties has shown even the ounce of goodness in all of this?

We all have our political leanings and preferences, and I'm sure we could all say wonderful things about the parties and leaders we 'lean' towards... BUT honestly, they are all a bunch of....

Boris has been splattered for the Jo Cox thing, especially the media. However, have you seen the full passage? I'm pretty sure it was started by the Labour MP who ranted about how dare he use language like "surrender"(really) in front of the plaque to JoCox. I'm sure we all have our own versions of the text and intonation, and I think a fair bit of what Boris said was over the top but the rest of Parliament, including those Tories who didn't vote for him, are just throwing insults and taunting him because he has no workable majority.

AND BEFORE ANY BLINKERED IDIOTS WANT A POP AT ME FOR THE ABOVE, I CAN'T STAND THE GUY AND I DEFINITELY THINK HE'S THE WORST PM WE'VE HAD SINCE THE OLD KING DIED. but c'mon lets have a bit of balance to the argument.

Yes, about the Jo Cox thing. I saw the exchanges live. He had been on his feet a long time and doing a good job of answering the same thing over and over.
He DID NOT initiate the name of Jo Cox. That was used in a question/statement by a Labour MP. He responded with a moments notice and clearly felt he had to say something about Jo Cox, in a conciliatry manner about her, and that was his OFF the cuff attempt. No offence meant at all, and if people were fair, they would have seen that.
But we are not going to see "fair" in this day and age are we?
No, jump,in and go for the jugular, lads. Get him!
I've seen three press reports on Boris and the Jo Cox thing and each one of them omitted to say it was a response to her name being brought up by some other MP. Without knowing the truth you could easily be left with the impression
that he brought it up.
What a standard of journalism is that?
And as for the use of vitriolic language! He used the term surrender bill, and they are offended? Poor dears.
They need to have a bit knowledge about some of the things that have been said in the Chamber before complaining in their self righteous indignation.
For instance, the exchange between Churchill and Bessie Braddock.
Those two stalwarts would be horrified at the thin skins of this present bunch.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Yes, about the Jo Cox thing. I saw the exchanges live. He had been on his feet a long time and doing a good job of answering the same thing over and over.
He DID NOT initiate the name of Jo Cox. That was used in a question/statement by a Labour MP. He responded with a moments notice and clearly felt he had to say something about Jo Cox, in a conciliatry manner about her, and that was his OFF the cuff attempt. No offence meant at all, and if people were fair, they would have seen that.
But we are not going to see "fair" in this day and age are we?
No, jump,in and go for the jugular, lads. Get him!
I've seen three press reports on Boris and the Jo Cox thing and each one of them omitted to say it was a response to her name being brought up by some other MP. Without knowing the truth you could easily be left with the impression
that he brought it up.
What a standard of journalism is that?
And as for the use of vitriolic language! He used the term surrender bill, and they are offended? Poor dears.
They need to have a bit knowledge about some of the things that have been said in the Chamber before complaining in their self righteous indignation.
For instance, the exchange between Churchill and Bessie Braddock.
Those two stalwarts would be horrified at the thin skins of this present bunch.

It’s not about who initiated her name, it was his response to the initial question, ie “I’ve never heard such humbug in all my life” not only did the question reference Jo Cox, Paula Sherriff also mentioned the death threats her and other MP’s had received.

His response was ill thought out, but not to worry the poor guy had sat on a plane for 8hrs earlier in the day.

 

[robinthehood]

Lots of talk about who stands to make a killing from no deal. Just keeps getting worse for bojo

 

[drdel]

Lots of talk about who stands to make a killing from no deal. Just keeps getting worse for bojo

The UK will make a 'killing'; mostly by not being dragged into supporting the massive, and rising, debt by the EU's silly economic plans.

 

[IanM]

Boris said hurty words?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1177318738384818183

 

[Hobbit]

It’s not about who initiated her name, it was his response to the initial question, ie “I’ve never heard such humbug in all my life” not only did the question reference Jo Cox, Paula Sherriff also mentioned the death threats her and other MP’s had received.

His response was ill thought out, but not to worry the poor guy had sat on a plane for 8hrs earlier in the day.

Sorry but his response was fine. Paula Sherriff displayed confected angst, and it was all for show.Her link was tenuous at best but very few want to see it because it goes against their beliefs of Johnson.

Personally, I think he's untrustworthy and would happily call him out for some of the rubbish he spouts. But on this one I feel he's being pilloried unfairly.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Sorry but his response was fine. Paula Sherriff displayed confected angst, and it was all for show.Her link was tenuous at best but very few want to see it because it goes against their beliefs of Johnson.

Personally, I think he's untrustworthy and would happily call him out for some of the rubbish he spouts. But on this one I feel he's being pilloried unfairly.

I’ve not supported what she’s said and I do understand were you are coming from, but, I think his response could of been more measured and with a moments pause he could of deflected back on to her rather than simply dismiss what she said, unfortunately MP’s from all sides are targets for all sorts of nasty threats and any valid points she may of had during her question has been lost due to both his response and her mentioning Jo Cox (but not by name) at the start of her question.

Edit: for those who haven’t seen or read it, this is her question.

"We should not resort to using offensive, dangerous or inflammatory language for legislation that we do not like, and we stand here under the shield of our departed friend with many of us in this place subject to death threats and abuse every single day."

"They often quote his words 'Surrender Act', 'betrayal', 'traitor' and I for one am sick of it.

"We must moderate our language, and it has to come from the prime minister first."

To which he gave the reply:

"I have to say, Mr Speaker, I've never heard such humbug in all my life."

 

[Fade and Die]

Boris came to Princess Alexandra Hospital near us today and got a rapturous reception. Harlow – a leave zone. Bet that wasn’t reported on BBC news. No Omar the plant to grab the headlines.

 

[Hobbit]

I’ve not supported what she’s said and I do understand were you are coming from, but, I think his response could of been more measured and with a moments pause he could of deflected back on to her rather than simply dismiss what she said, unfortunately MP’s from all sides are targets for all sorts of nasty threats and any valid points she may of had during her question has been lost due to both his response and her mentioning Jo Cox (but not by name) at the start of her question.

Edit: for those who haven’t seen or read it, this is her question.

"We should not resort to using offensive, dangerous or inflammatory language for legislation that we do not like, and we stand here under the shield of our departed friend with many of us in this place subject to death threats and abuse every single day."

"They often quote his words 'Surrender Act', 'betrayal', 'traitor' and I for one am sick of it.

"We must moderate our language, and it has to come from the prime minister first."

To which he gave the reply:

"I have to say, Mr Speaker, I've never heard such humbug in all my life."

The U.K. had a wimp as last PM. Sherriff’s demeanour, don’t forget 80 of a message comes f

 

[Hobbit]

The U.K. had a wimp as last PM. Sherriff’s demeanour, don’t forget 80 of a message comes f

Comes from body language and intonation. Sherrif made a cheap shot, looking to use the death of Jo Cox as a weapon, and he quite rightly gave her both barrels back.

He recognised what she was doing and called her out, “humbug,” and she was well played by his response.

I’m of the opinion that Sherrif got what she deserved. The majority of the House were just baying hounds chasing blood at almost whatever cost.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Comes from body language and intonation. Sherrif made a cheap shot, looking to use the death of Jo Cox as a weapon, and he quite rightly gave her both barrels back.

He recognised what she was doing and called her out, “humbug,” and she was well played by his response.

I’m of the opinion that Sherrif got what she deserved. The majority of the House were just baying hounds chasing blood at almost whatever cost.

Again though Bri, no one comes out of this with any credit, but maybe, naively I’d still like our PM to be more statesman like and maybe prove some of us wrong.
Everything with him from day 1 of his term has been at a million miles an hour.