BLM protests/ Riots.

[Deleted member 16999]

No doubt the MP for Hackney won’t say a word about this incident

You have an issue with Diane Abbott, have you thought about asking for help? #everychanceyouget

 

[Old Skier]

Never saw that on the news last week, you sure?

Info sent by a friend who works in London, cannot personally verify it but has the home media haven't published the desecration of Gandhis statue in NY or the film of the London Police Officer badly beaten this week perhaps its not considered newsworthy and doesn't fit the current agenda.

 

[Old Skier]

That's the most ridiculous statement I've ever seen on here. There have been hundreds if not thousands of peaceful BLM protests around the world, yet because some idiots cause trouble in London, the whole campaign is an anti-capitalist front?

Incredible.

Agree but why do the peaceful element not get more involved in stopping these acts. Only seen a few brave people attempt it while hundreds of others stand around and watch.

 

[Old Skier]

This started in the USA .
It’s spread to us .
The rest of the world is not immune.
The main problem is we haven’t dealt with our statues that’s the main complaint.

Just like to point out that the people of Bristol had been asked Democratically if the Colston statue should remain a few years ago and they said yes.

 

[oxymoron]

Look on Netflix , i think its called "The 13th" , its about the 13th amendment i think , quite an eyeopener of a documentary .

 

[rudebhoy]

Just like to point out that the people of Bristol had been asked Democratically if the Colston statue should remain a few years ago and they said yes.

when was that? I've never seen it mentioned before.

 

[Old Skier]

when was that? I've never seen it mentioned before.

3 or 4 council elections ago.

 

[SocketRocket]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1268258610192277505

3 or 4 council elections ago.

Bristol Council have been debating and voting on Colstons statue for years and removing it has never been accepted. It's the same with the Colstan Hall, some on the council have been trying to get its name changed.

 

[Dando]

You have an issue with Diane Abbott, have you thought about asking for help? #everychanceyouget

the issue I have with her is that's she racist and therefore wont say a word about this incident.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

the issue I have with her is that's she racist and therefore wont say a word about this incident.

Why should she? Do you expect her to speak up on every incident that happens in the UK?

 

[SocketRocket]

I watched Dawn Butler talking about this on the Peston show last night. How on earth did she get as far as she has, she seems incapable of saying anything beyond repeating soundbites.

 

[Old Skier]

when was that? I've never seen it mentioned before.

32* have had a petition up for years for its removal which never attracted more than 100 votes until last week. Don't you think there's a google hunt a statue going on here.

 

[Old Skier]

Why should she? Do you expect her to speak up on every incident that happens in the UK?

If the attack happened in her constituency wouldn't it have been a good move to come out quickly to condemn the action.

 

[rudebhoy]

3 or 4 council elections ago.

how is a council election a democratic vote on whether or not to remove a statue? I'm sure there were far more important things than that in each party's manifesto!

 

[Deleted member 16999]

If the attack happened in her constituency wouldn't it have been a good move to come out quickly to condemn the action.

Absolutely, except it didn’t, it happened in Hackney South whose MP is Meg Hillier.

But people see Hackney and use it as an excuse to have a dig at Diane Abbott, hence my question about whether she is expected to speak up about every incident in the UK.

 

[Old Skier]

how is a council election a democratic vote on whether or not to remove a statue? I'm sure there were far more important things than that in each party's manifesto!

Number of times during elections of any kind that a supplementary question has been asked. Could be why they are called local elections, to enable non political issues to be asked.

Our last one had a separate question on cycle ways

 

[rudebhoy]

Bristol Council have been debating and voting on Colstons statue for years and removing it has never been accepted. It's the same with the Colstan Hall, some on the council have been trying to get its name changed.

In 2017, the Colston Hall fired the starting gun that sent the debate about Edward Colston and Bristol into the mainstream of the city's consciousness, merely by announcing that it was thinking of changing its name.

In the first few months of 2017, the sheer scale of everything named after Colston was brought into the light, and the campaigners, sensing success, went from one to the other, asking the question.
Over the next couple of years, one or two, then three or four, institutions made decisions. The Colston Yard pub changed its name to the Bristol Yard with not much fuss. There was months of consultation and projects working with historians before Colston Primary School changed its name to Cotham Gardens.

Both the pub and the school, and the Colston Hall too, were three of the few things named 'Colston' that weren't connected with the Society of Merchant Venturers - the guild and body that created what critics call the 'Cult of Colston' back in Victorian times.
They were not for budging, and rebuffed calls to consider renaming both Colston's Girls' School and the private Colston's School.
Then, in early 2019, St Mary Redcliffe School announced it had completely changed all the names of its 'houses' into which pupils are streamed, and the one named Colston was being renamed in honour of a black American female mathematician who worked out the equations which took man to the moon.

But still, throughout all this, the statue remained - the most obvious symbol for anyone arriving in the city centre of Bristol for the first time.
Getting it removed completely seemed ambitious. Bristol had elected a man who resigned his membership of the Merchant Venturers to stand for election as an independent, George Ferguson, in 2012, and the statue's presence was off the agenda.
In the days after it was toppled, Mr Ferguson said he regretted not doing anything sooner.

 

[rudebhoy]

Number of times during elections of any kind that a supplementary question has been asked. Could be why they are called local elections, to enable non political issues to be asked.

Our last one had a separate question on cycle ways

So which election did that happen at, and what was the question? I can't find any mention of it, but am happy to be corrected.

 

[SocketRocket]

In 2017, the Colston Hall fired the starting gun that sent the debate about Edward Colston and Bristol into the mainstream of the city's consciousness, merely by announcing that it was thinking of changing its name.

In the first few months of 2017, the sheer scale of everything named after Colston was brought into the light, and the campaigners, sensing success, went from one to the other, asking the question.
Over the next couple of years, one or two, then three or four, institutions made decisions. The Colston Yard pub changed its name to the Bristol Yard with not much fuss. There was months of consultation and projects working with historians before Colston Primary School changed its name to Cotham Gardens.

Both the pub and the school, and the Colston Hall too, were three of the few things named 'Colston' that weren't connected with the Society of Merchant Venturers - the guild and body that created what critics call the 'Cult of Colston' back in Victorian times.
They were not for budging, and rebuffed calls to consider renaming both Colston's Girls' School and the private Colston's School.
Then, in early 2019, St Mary Redcliffe School announced it had completely changed all the names of its 'houses' into which pupils are streamed, and the one named Colston was being renamed in honour of a black American female mathematician who worked out the equations which took man to the moon.

But still, throughout all this, the statue remained - the most obvious symbol for anyone arriving in the city centre of Bristol for the first time.
Getting it removed completely seemed ambitious. Bristol had elected a man who resigned his membership of the Merchant Venturers to stand for election as an independent, George Ferguson, in 2012, and the statue's presence was off the agenda.
In the days after it was toppled, Mr Ferguson said he regretted not doing anything sooner.

Yes, although the council couldnt make a decision to remove the statue.

 

[Old Skier]

So which election did that happen at, and what was the question? I can't find any mention of it, but am happy to be corrected.

Neither can I so it seems we are unable to prove it either way.

Do you believe that statues/monuments should be removed without consideration of views of local people.