TonyN
Money List Winner
Lessons are definitly the way to go. Best thing to do Martyn and it dont cost a penny really. Compare yuor setup to that of a pro, and see how much different it is.
Bit of advice please!
- Thread starter nmartyn
- Start date
HomerJSimpson
Hall of Famer
jeffc
In normal circumstances I'm all for being loyal to those that have invested time and effort into helping me with a purchase. My pro is pretty good at the bits and pieces stuff (balls, club jumpers etc) and for special purchases like the SC5 and myjoys I got really tries to give me the absolute best deal he can. As a result I'll always go to him first for a quote.
However if I'm going somewhere and I'm being given duff information, either directly or indirectly (poor advice and not advising OP to use the TM demo) then my reaction is to try and make the best of a bad deal. In this case it would be getting the swing specs and then utilising a PGA pro or another retailer. I'm all for AG and the like charging for a session providing I'm going to get a decent service for my money.
I had a poor experience at an AG (Camberley) where I wanted to be fitted for a driver. The guy must have been the most junior guy in the shop and when he measured me said I needed to be 3 degrees upright. Having been C/F'd by Callaway (at their HQ) two weeks before I knew I was only 1 degree in woods and irons. When we got onto the launch monitor he had no idea what the figures meant and what the best fit was.
I refused to pay the fee and kicked up a right stink. In the end the manager did another session himself. I was actually 1 degree upright (quelle surprise) but the model and spec I wanted wasn't ideal. I didn't fancy anything else and so I left it but had made sure I got the specs written down on the premise of having a think and returning.
I went to another AG and tried a different model with the specs I provided and hit it like a dream and they got my business.
In normal circumstances I'm all for being loyal to those that have invested time and effort into helping me with a purchase. My pro is pretty good at the bits and pieces stuff (balls, club jumpers etc) and for special purchases like the SC5 and myjoys I got really tries to give me the absolute best deal he can. As a result I'll always go to him first for a quote.
However if I'm going somewhere and I'm being given duff information, either directly or indirectly (poor advice and not advising OP to use the TM demo) then my reaction is to try and make the best of a bad deal. In this case it would be getting the swing specs and then utilising a PGA pro or another retailer. I'm all for AG and the like charging for a session providing I'm going to get a decent service for my money.
I had a poor experience at an AG (Camberley) where I wanted to be fitted for a driver. The guy must have been the most junior guy in the shop and when he measured me said I needed to be 3 degrees upright. Having been C/F'd by Callaway (at their HQ) two weeks before I knew I was only 1 degree in woods and irons. When we got onto the launch monitor he had no idea what the figures meant and what the best fit was.
I refused to pay the fee and kicked up a right stink. In the end the manager did another session himself. I was actually 1 degree upright (quelle surprise) but the model and spec I wanted wasn't ideal. I didn't fancy anything else and so I left it but had made sure I got the specs written down on the premise of having a think and returning.
I went to another AG and tried a different model with the specs I provided and hit it like a dream and they got my business.
B
birdieman
Guest
Can't agree with this statement. I wholeheartedly agree that lessons can be beneficial but if funds are restrictive and you don't want to buy lessons of course you can improve, there are loads of books and online lessons and playing with good golfers to help improve.
I took exception to the point as I had one lesson when I was 12 at school. I did not however take up the game until I was 15. From starting on a junior handicap of 36 I got down to an adult handicap of 6 in 3 years without 1 lesson, lots of golf but no lessons.
I'm not saying I couldn't have got down quicker with lessons but you don't have to have them.
I have only had a total of 4 lessons in my life and I'm coming up for 40, the one I mentioned when I was 12 then I had one in 2004 to cure shanks, one in 2005 and 1 this year.
There were faults to be corrected according to the guy I saw this year however the Pro I saw in 04 and 05 didn't advise any changes other than feet relative to ball which had been the cause of shanks. Now I don't know who to believe, they are both reputable pros.
Got to be wary of Pros, like everyone in business they are out to make money by getting you back again and again for lessons. None of us are ever going to be the next Ernie Els no matter how many lessons we get so you need to keep things in perspective with regard to how good you think you can get.
With regard to the original post I would steer clear of the guy offering his fitting services, We all hit it poorly from time to time, that doesn't nescessarily mean it's the fault of the club or shaft, that's just golf!
Just watched your video Martyn........Oh my gawd, I think your beyound help Just kidding It's good advise from the guys, get yourself a couple of lessons just to get the basics sorted, (grip, stance, posture) then hopefuly you might start swinging hitting that G5 of yours with a bit more consistancy.
Oh and BTW your mate Daddy whatshisname, tell him that treading the ground down behind his ball, is classed as improving his lie and therefore against the rules.
Just kidding It's good advise from the guys, get yourself a couple of lessons just to get the basics sorted, (grip, stance, posture) then hopefuly you might start swinging hitting that G5 of yours with a bit more consistancy.Oh and BTW your mate Daddy whatshisname, tell him that treading the ground down behind his ball, is classed as improving his lie and therefore against the rules.
need_my_wedge
Has Now Found His Wedgie
Just had a look at the vid. Others have already commented, and I'm not exactly qualified to comment, but two points that won't help
Lifting your left heel off the ground on your back swing.
Little or no weight transfer to right leg and back to left during swing.
Going to see a pro will help you get on track. Not seeing a pro won't help. Practice, practice and more practice will only help if it's good practice. If the practice is bad, doesn't matter how much you do, it's unlikely to improve unless you work out what aspects need to be changed, a pro is the best person to advise on this.
Lifting your left heel off the ground on your back swing.
Little or no weight transfer to right leg and back to left during swing.
Going to see a pro will help you get on track. Not seeing a pro won't help. Practice, practice and more practice will only help if it's good practice. If the practice is bad, doesn't matter how much you do, it's unlikely to improve unless you work out what aspects need to be changed, a pro is the best person to advise on this.
USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
Harvey Pennick, of the little red book fame, is a big fan of lifting the left heal. He coached Ben Crenshaw among others, so it isn't necessarily a bad thing. Keeping the heal down is quite a modern thing in coaching, and some people just can't do it physically.
jeffc
Head Pro
just for two penneth worth, if you try the stack and tilt swing you don't transfer weight to the right anyway,
just another example of there being more than one way to skin a golf swing
just another example of there being more than one way to skin a golf swing
need_my_wedge
Has Now Found His Wedgie
Maybe didn't say what I was trying to say. Kind of looks like a knee jerk to facilitate the body turn, which appears fairly restricted. A weight transfer to the right leg, will allow the body to turn more easily and further.
But like I said, not really qualified to coach golf. Aikido no problem, come see me I can help. There is a lot of common ground between golf and Aikido in the body mechanics with regards to generating power, I can see how it's not happening in the swing.
I still think seeing his local pro will sort him out best
But like I said, not really qualified to coach golf. Aikido no problem, come see me I can help. There is a lot of common ground between golf and Aikido in the body mechanics with regards to generating power, I can see how it's not happening in the swing.
I still think seeing his local pro will sort him out best
USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
There is also a huge similarity between tennis and golf too. I guess in both sports you are trying to hit a ball and generate club head/raquet head speed from a stable base. Might explain why Tim Henman is such a good golfer.
TonyN
Money List Winner
Why is he such a crap tennis player?
USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
I wish I could play tennis that badly.
Maybe he spent all his time playing golf, and thinking about golf, and not practicing tennis. I would love to spend my time practicing golf, rather than sitting here working away on tosh all day.
Maybe he spent all his time playing golf, and thinking about golf, and not practicing tennis. I would love to spend my time practicing golf, rather than sitting here working away on tosh all day.
