Ball on path which side.

[bladeplayer]

There is only one "nearest point of relief" & this is the point you chose. Look at http://www.golf-monthly.co.uk/videos/rules/golf-rules-explained-nearest-point-relief

Unless you get into local rules , and NPR is Not the NPR , note 3 to the rule I think

 

[freddielong]

The nearest point of relief rule is one of the most violated rules there is, I see so many people try to take the best point of relief for them.

Cheating through ignorance is still cheating.

 

[MashieNiblick]

Following on from my previous reference to the diagram in decision 24-2b/3.7 - a question for those more knowledgable than me...

Ball lies on a path. NPR is on narrow strip of grass between path and say some shrubbery. Ball is dropped in a correct manner between NPR and shrubs. A shot towards the hole is now not viable because of shrubs impeding stance. Only viable shot is now backwards - which means your stance is back on path. I assume you get another go at free relief? But if yes, i presume most likely scenario is that NPR would be even deeper in shrubs?

But if it was a boundary wall, rather than shrubs, then am i right in thinking that the new NPR could easily be on the "good" side of the path (which when the 1 cl drop and possible 2cl roll are taken into account, could then give a shot at the green) Is this all allowable?

Have a look at Decision 24-2b/9.5 - After Relief Taken from Obstruction for Stroke Towards Green, Obstruction Interferes with Stance for Necessary Sideways Stroke.

http://www.randa.org/Rules-of-Golf/...SubRules/2-Immovable-Obstruction#alldecisions

Basically as I read it, after your drop you now have a new situation where the path interferes with your stance for the shot you now have, accordingly you are entitled to relief and you go through the procedure again from the new position. The particular circumstances will determine where the NPR for your next shot from that position is. Then so long as drop is legal I can see no reason why you then can't take advantage of whatever benefit that may incidentally give you and play whatever shot you like in accordance with principles in Decisions 24-2b/6 and 24-2b/77

 

[louise_a]

and don't forget that you always have the option of playing it off the path.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Have a look at Decision 24-2b/9.5 - After Relief Taken from Obstruction for Stroke Towards Green, Obstruction Interferes with Stance for Necessary Sideways Stroke.

http://www.randa.org/Rules-of-Golf/...SubRules/2-Immovable-Obstruction#alldecisions

Basically as I read it, after your drop you now have a new situation where the path interferes with your stance for the shot you now have, accordingly you are entitled to relief and you go through the procedure again from the new position. The particular circumstances will determine where the NPR for your next shot from that position is. Then so long as drop is legal I can see no reason why you then can't take advantage of whatever benefit that may incidentally give you and play whatever shot you like in accordance with principles in Decisions 24-2b/6 and 24-2b/77

I've read your post and the link and that all makes sense, what I still can't get my head around is the scenario of a small strip of grass between a path and a boundary wall(left hand side of path), surely as you've posted the boundary wall would intefere with stance, the only option would be to drop on other side of path? Really confused by this one (apologies for coming across as thick)

 

[backwoodsman]

I've read your post and the link and that all makes sense, what I still can't get my head around is the scenario of a small strip of grass between a path and a boundary wall(left hand side of path), surely as you've posted the boundary wall would intefere with stance, the only option would be to drop on other side of path? Really confused by this one (apologies for coming across as thick)

To help get your head round it, have a look at the definition of Nearest Point of Relief then try putting the phrase "Disregarding everything else on the course..." in front of it

 

[Deleted member 16999]

To help get your head round it, have a look at the definition of Nearest Point of Relief then try putting the phrase "Disregarding everything else on the course..." in front of it

I get that, just can't see the difference between the tree and a wall in that decision. (Hopefully your head isn't hurting banging that brick wall)

 

[backwoodsman]

I get that, just can't see the difference between the tree and a wall in that decision. (Hopefully your head isn't hurting banging that brick wall)

I'm not sure l now understand your dilemma?

 

[MashieNiblick]

I've read your post and the link and that all makes sense, what I still can't get my head around is the scenario of a small strip of grass between a path and a boundary wall(left hand side of path), surely as you've posted the boundary wall would intefere with stance, the only option would be to drop on other side of path? Really confused by this one (apologies for coming across as thick)

OK. Have a look at Decision 24-2b/17 Obstruction Interferes with Abnormal Stroke; Abnormal Stroke Reasonable in Circumstances

http://www.randa.org/Rules-of-Golf/...-Obstruction#D492C2B2ECA249938D1D3012E03A5610

So if I understand the scenario correctly your ball is in such a position relative to the path and wall that in order to play the ball the only reasonable stroke is either left handed or sideways but this means that the path will interfere with your stance. You now have the option to take relief from the path for that stroke. The NPR for that stroke may indeed be on the other side of the path, and you drop accordingly. If you can then play right handed but the path interferes with that stroke you are entitled to take relief from there.

Does that help?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

OK. Have a look at Decision 24-2b/17 Obstruction Interferes with Abnormal Stroke; Abnormal Stroke Reasonable in Circumstances

http://www.randa.org/Rules-of-Golf/...-Obstruction#D492C2B2ECA249938D1D3012E03A5610

So if I understand the scenario correctly your ball is in such a position relative to the path and wall that in order to play the ball the only reasonable stroke is either left handed or sideways but this means that the path will interfere with your stance. You now have the option to take relief from the path for that stroke. The NPR for that stroke may indeed be on the other side of the path, and you drop accordingly. If you can then play right handed but the path interferes with that stroke you are entitled to take relief from there.

Does that help?

Really helps, thank you,