Arsenal Looking Good

[HomerJSimpson]

Been making the same mistakes for over a decade now and still hasn't addressed the issues so the season will be the same

To win the leagues you need to beat both the top teams and the small teams - Arsenal got smashed by the big teams last season. Nothing has happened this summer to suggest that won't happen again

And yet have consistently out performed Liverpool and the vast majority of the PL over the same period. You keep going on about Arsenal losing to the big sides last year but for seasons before that they've always been a match and one season shouldn't be taken out of context. As I said, given the squads and spending capability of Chelsea and City and the immense performances of United, that leaves everyone else playing for 4th downwards and who has com,e 4th and therefore top of the remaining crop most often?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The most points over 38 games wins the league , like a round of golf is over 18 holes , no use making birdie on stoke 1 hole and triple bogie on stoke 16,17 & 18 holes which is what Chelsea and Liverpool did last year and what they win .................ZERO because of that , Ramsey and Walcott`s long term injuries cost Arsenal lots last year so you also need luck and that is something you cannot plan for or buy ........................EYG

Who was your cover for Ramsey and Walcott ? Or your cover for Giroud ? Or Flamini ? Who is going to cover for them this year when they are injured again ?

The teams that win the league get the cover for those players that suffer regular injuries.

Bringing up two teams that finished above Arsenal suggests what exactly ?

What has Wenger done this summer that suddenly makes Arsenal the team to fear ?

 

[jp5]

Well said , leave the experts too it , they go on about Arsenal injuries and losing to the top teams but Forget Arsenal hit the smaller teams for 6 and that these same teams beat the top teams , wenger wont make the same mistakes again and will be closer this year and may even tip them .....................EYG

I've heard that every year for about the past 5 seasons!

Getting continually tonked by rugby scores away at United, Liverpool, City and Chelsea would seem to suggest otherwise.

 

[jp5]

And yet have consistently out performed Liverpool and the vast majority of the PL over the same period. You keep going on about Arsenal losing to the big sides last year but for seasons before that they've always been a match and one season shouldn't be taken out of context. As I said, given the squads and spending capability of Chelsea and City and the immense performances of United, that leaves everyone else playing for 4th downwards and who has com,e 4th and therefore top of the remaining crop most often?

26 points from 90 against the top 4 teams over the past 5 seasons. It's not a new phenomenon of Arsenal bottling it against bigger teams.

Wenger has done well with his resources to scrape a Champions League place every year, which is the primary concern of the board.

Unfortunately, he no longer has the tactics to succeed against the bigger teams and I don't see a few signings changing that.

 

[JCW]

I've heard that every year for about the past 5 seasons!

Getting continually tonked by rugby scores away at United, Liverpool, City and Chelsea would seem to suggest otherwise.

They have turn the corner both in spending terms and winning trophies and are spending to push on , as for cover for the Ramsey and Walcott , not easy to get cover players of the same quality to play 2nd fiddle , Barcelona don`t have another messi so your arguement is flawed like most of your post , you just love to argue and the stats and reason you post are flawed Liverpool phil , the past has no bearing to the future on the subjects were are talking about ....................EYG

 

[Deleted member 15344]

They have turn the corner both in spending terms and winning trophies and are spending to push on , as for cover for the Ramsey and Walcott , not easy to get cover players of the same quality to play 2nd fiddle , Barcelona don`t have another messi so your arguement is flawed like most of your post , you just love to argue and the stats and reason you post are flawed Liverpool phil , the past has no bearing to the future on the subjects were are talking about ....................EYG

Spent a lot of money last summer ?

Other teams that win the title find cover for players ?

Didn't arsenal turn a corner last season as well. What exactly is flawed then.

You have talked about Arsenal being the team to beat this year yet have failed to justify that when people have queried why you appear to suggest you are the team to beat - you have purchased a couple of players but still haven't addressed the issues that have dogged Arsenal for a decade now

 

[Papas1982]

They have turn the corner both in spending terms and winning trophies and are spending to push on , as for cover for the Ramsey and Walcott , not easy to get cover players of the same quality to play 2nd fiddle , Barcelona don`t have another messi so your arguement is flawed like most of your post , you just love to argue and the stats and reason you post are flawed Liverpool phil , the past has no bearing to the future on the subjects were are talking about ....................EYG

I've heard it all now. Messi in a comparison to Walcott!!

Ramsey wasn't even wanted by arsenal fans before last season. So imagine if he hadn't come good? Barcelona have no messi true, but they have over options. Arsenal fell away last season for two main reasons. Walcott injured so no threat if pace and teams pressed arsenal more not worrying about space. And when Ramsey got injured nobody did ozils running. Where was the planning for that? You can't just pick a team for the season and say that 11 is good I'll just cross my fingers n toes against injury.

 

[JCW]

Spent a lot of money last summer ?

Other teams that win the title find cover for players ?

Didn't arsenal turn a corner last season as well. What exactly is flawed then.

You have talked about Arsenal being the team to beat this year yet have failed to justify that when people have queried why you appear to suggest you are the team to beat - you have purchased a couple of players but still haven't addressed the issues that have dogged Arsenal for a decade now

I am off to play golf now , wife runs my business while i enjoyed life , Leave you to argue with your shadow , I am sure you will twist it one way and your shadow will twist it the other way and it will go on and on and soon you be a Hall of famer for posting , lovely sunny day for golf and a pint so .......................EYG

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Spent a lot of money last summer ?

Other teams that win the title find cover for players ?

Didn't arsenal turn a corner last season as well. What exactly is flawed then.

You have talked about Arsenal being the team to beat this year yet have failed to justify that when people have queried why you appear to suggest you are the team to beat - you have purchased a couple of players but still haven't addressed the issues that have dogged Arsenal for a decade now

And since 03/04 they've finished 2nd, three 3rd's and the rest in 4th and considerably out performed not only Liverpool but most of the PL. Not a bad flawed system.

 

[jp5]

And since 03/04 they've finished 2nd, three 3rd's and the rest in 4th and considerably out performed not only Liverpool but most of the PL. Not a bad flawed system.

They are also a bigger team than most of the PL. Success is relative and Arsenal have been underperforming for a long time.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

And since 03/04 they've finished 2nd, three 3rd's and the rest in 4th and considerably out performed not only Liverpool but most of the PL. Not a bad flawed system.

And won the CL or Prem zero times - it's a model that gets them to 4th as opposed to winning the title - hence why people asking JCW why they are suddenly the team to beat.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

They are also a bigger team than most of the PL. Success is relative and Arsenal have been underperforming for a long time.

Well below Chelsea, City and up until last season United. The first two will always outstrip anyone in the PL with their squads and ability to spend big if needed. United were a great side just on the wane before Fergie retired and he managed to squeeze the last drop out of the squad he had to win again. They are now in transition and probably alongside Arsenal and Liverpool in terms of comparison.

Look at their performances over the last ten years and they have consistantly out performed the majority with the exception of the big three (City, Chelsea and United) and been the best of the rest. I don't see what else could have been achieved bar perhaps a domestic cup.

 

[jp5]

Well below Chelsea, City and up until last season United. The first two will always outstrip anyone in the PL with their squads and ability to spend big if needed. United were a great side just on the wane before Fergie retired and he managed to squeeze the last drop out of the squad he had to win again. They are now in transition and probably alongside Arsenal and Liverpool in terms of comparison.

Look at their performances over the last ten years and they have consistantly out performed the majority with the exception of the big three (City, Chelsea and United) and been the best of the rest. I don't see what else could have been achieved bar perhaps a domestic cup.

But what happened before those 10 years? The Invincibles, probably the greatest ever league team, and 2 league/cup doubles in 3 years, a Champions League final, etc. An incredible platform to build on.

Wenger took a huge step back in dismantling that squad as quickly as he did and instead focused on building a team of small, technical players. He's still paying for that now and as an Arsenal fan, whilst his belligerence for a certain style of play continues, he will never win the league.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

But what happened before those 10 years? The Invincibles, probably the greatest ever league team, and 2 league/cup doubles in 3 years, a Champions League final, etc. An incredible platform to build on.

Wenger took a huge step back in dismantling that squad as quickly as he did and instead focused on building a team of small, technical players. He's still paying for that now and as an Arsenal fan, whilst his belligerence for a certain style of play continues, he will never win the league.

You are better placed than me to comment on it. I am only coming at it from a football fan and armchair supporter as well as a long suffering Fulham man. I can see exactly what your saying regarding building on the invincibles and with some big names signings the season after there should have been no reason not to have had back to back wins rather than an immediate rebuild. For all of that though you have to admire what he manages to get and the level of consistency they have

 

[Liverbirdie]

But what happened before those 10 years? The Invincibles, probably the greatest ever league team, and 2 league/cup doubles in 3 years, a Champions League final, etc. An incredible platform to build on.

Wenger took a huge step back in dismantling that squad as quickly as he did and instead focused on building a team of small, technical players. He's still paying for that now and as an Arsenal fan, whilst his belligerence for a certain style of play continues, he will never win the league.

A very honest assessment JP5.

Apart from Clough (who had nowhere near the same financial resources), I am struggling to remember a manager in the last 40 years who had 5-10 years of great success, then had 5-10 years of relative/mediocre success compared to the earlier years, like Wenger.

Homer, I agree on some of your sentiment, but not all. FWIW agreeing with LiverpoolPhil is not a sign of weakness....

 

[Foxholer]

But what happened before those 10 years? The Invincibles, probably the greatest ever league team, and 2 league/cup doubles in 3 years, a Champions League final, etc. An incredible platform to build on.

Wenger took a huge step back in dismantling that squad as quickly as he did and instead focused on building a team of small, technical players. He's still paying for that now and as an Arsenal fan, whilst his belligerence for a certain style of play continues, he will never win the league.

Remember there has been a new stadium built - that apparently won't be paid back until 2030 - and a profit in all but 1 of something like the last 20 years!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Remember there has been a new stadium built - that apparently won't be paid back until 2030 - and a profit in all but 1 of something like the last 20 years!

Was there an open top bus for celebrating gaining a financial profit ? Medals given out to the players and on the honours board each year ?

For a team like Arsenal they need success on the pitch

 

[Foxholer]

Was there an open top bus for celebrating gaining a financial profit ? Medals given out to the players and on the honours board each year ?

For a team like Arsenal they need success on the pitch

CL football for the past 14 consecutive years seems to have been their measure of success. FA Cup was a bonus.

As a comparison, remind us again how much 'profit' Liverpool made in the last 3 years? And just what success it has had?

To me, there's going to be an almighty scrap for 3rd and 4th place between Man U, Arsenal and Liverpool (I'm picking City and Chelsea to be 1 & 2, but that depends on Mourinho actually achieving rather than just whingeing like he did last year).

 

[Deleted member 15344]

CL football for the past 14 consecutive years seems to have been their measure of success. FA Cup was a bonus.

As a comparison, remind us again how much 'profit' Liverpool made in the last 3 years? And just what success it has had?

To me, there's going to be an almighty scrap for 3rd and 4th place between Man U, Arsenal and Liverpool (I'm picking City and Chelsea to be 1 & 2, but that depends on Mourinho actually achieving rather than just whingeing like he did last year).

I have no idea what profit we had - I do know we won a trophy though.

 

[Foxholer]

I have no idea what profit we had - I do know we won a trophy though.

Er. Apparently the loss was around £50m for 2 of those years and slightly smaller in the other! Arsenal also won a trophy! But they made a profit each year!