Anyone Learned Aimpoint? Your Thoughts?

[Foxholer]

Insert word of your choice in place of mapping, the concept is still the same.

I was simply pointing out that your argument about 1st Green delays was flawed. Yes, there may be an issue getting correct speed, which I have previously pointed out, but no different to the same issue for 'traditional' methods.

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What about other variables such as things like bermuda grass where the grain changes during the course of the day?

That's why I used 'roughly' and 'essentially' in my post! Things like Bermuda, dampness and wind are in there as things to consider, but I haven't gone into the depths of how and how much - as I'm not an Aimpoint exponent. When was the last time you played on Bermuda? I have never had that 'pleasure'! Dampness of Bent Grass definitely has an effect on speed on down-hillers though.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

I was simply pointing out that your argument about 1st Green delays was flawed. Yes, there may be an issue getting correct speed, which I have previously pointed out, but no different to the same issue for 'traditional' methods.



That's why I used 'roughly' and 'essentially' in my post! Things like Bermuda, dampness and wind are in there as things to consider, but I haven't gone into the depths of how and how much - as I'm not an Aimpoint exponent. When was the last time you played on Bermuda? I have never had that 'pleasure'! Dampness of Bent Grass definitely has an effect on speed on down-hillers though.

Fortunately only when playing on holiday, I hate the stuff! Just can't read bermuda greens

 

[SocketRocket]

For me this whole Aimpoint stuff doesn't fit with one of the basics that underpin the ethos of the game - the individual using his skill and judgement.

But you all know I would say that.

Good point.

If I make a good putt I want to know that I made it through my own judgement and skill.

 

[BTatHome]

Good point.

If I make a good putt I want to know that I made it through my own judgement and skill.

Surely aimpoint users still have judgement and skill. They still have to aim the putt and still have to hit it at the correct pace.

 

[Foxholer]

Fortunately only when playing on holiday, I hate the stuff! Just can't read bermuda greens

Check this out then! http://aimpointgolf.wordpress.com/2013/06/18/if-it-makes-so-much-sense-why-wont-they/

Attitude seem familiar? I think the Author is actually independent too.

Note: Aimpoint developed in Florida on Bermuda greens. Oh, and just as relevant to 'normal' ones - you can't beat gravity!

 

[virtuocity]

the ethos of the game - the individual using his skill and judgement.

.

Why did you buy a new putter?

 

[Stuey01]

Fortunately only when playing on holiday, I hate the stuff! Just can't read bermuda greens

I've heard about a course that can help with that... :thup:

 

[SocketRocket]

Surely aimpoint users still have judgement and skill. They still have to aim the putt and still have to hit it at the correct pace.

So why do you need to do the Penguin hop and read up a table?

 

[virtuocity]

So why do you need to do the Penguin hop and read up a table?

Aimpoint Express requires neither.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

I've heard about a course that can help with that... :thup:

I've got a better cure......bent fescue greens

 

[tsped83]

Each to their own, but using a map/chart/book to read the green? Come on, seriously? Use your eyes, judgement and skill. Man and putter in sync, referring to a chart to roll a ball along the floor? Come off it. Pull the other one.

 

[3565]

I don't doubt what you are saying but there really isn't anything new in this concept. The bottom line is you have to be able to judge line and pace, whichever method you choose to use. Using charts, maps, whatever you want to call them won't necessarily make you a better putter but spending time on the practice green learning to read putts and control distance WILL make you a better putter :thup:

yeah I agree with you from the bottom line and onwards part of your post, and yes to get better you need to practise. Whether it's Bobby 1930's Locke way or the scientific number crunching way, you still got to hit the putt and the fact that a stone or poorly repaired pitch mark deflects the ball, no amount of aiming, mathematical sequencing will stop that. But you know how far you crunch a 7i or half a 52* wedge? Aimpoint is the yardage chart for greens and I have a greater understanding of green reading thru Aimpoint! We are all quick to go and try out the latest driver to gain the grail, but that doesn't put the ball in the hole, nor will the latest £300 Cameron, an understanding distance, speed, slope and angle and a sound putting technique will.

If it's not your bag then it's not, I ain't going to put a gun to your head and say do it, but if you don't know the principle and facts about it your not in a position to really give an objective view as it's based on your 1930's Locke principles.

Note, don't think that i rely on the system all the time, I have a hard time on flat greens using Aimpoint, and revert back to the normal way

 

[virtuocity]

Man and putter in sync

Which putter is this now?

 

[SocketRocket]

Aimpoint Express requires neither.

So is it as good as skill and feel?

 

[tsped83]

Which putter is this now?

Touche. But the same putter has been in the bag for 3 months (ish) now and putting has improved. By using the same putter, yes, but also from practicing on the putting green a few times a week. Leave your charts at home and use your eyes and your head. Putting is an instinctive process. Maps not required.

 

[mefromhere]

A few weeks ago (I think) there was a thread on how people read a putt and then play the shot you need to. Everybody explained what they do.
I would say that most people look at a slope, see how steep it is and the steeper it is the more up the slope you aim. I don't see how a table helps decide that as it still requires you to use your eyes to determine the steepness of said slope.

Also, what is there to stop somebody who has been on the course sharing exactly what the "secret" is?

 

[virtuocity]

So is it as good as skill and feel?

Absolutely.

Feel is with the feet. This feeling is easy to measure as the individual puts a number on how much slope they feel. Eyes cannot read greens well. Eyes lie.

Skill is about pace and starting the ball on the line you want to.

Honestly, I'd love to crouch down and say, "Yep, definitely breaking right to left 2 feet, let's sink this bad boy" but I can't. I honestly can't believe how good the Express read is, how simple it is. I could teach it to you in 20 minutes.

Get yourself off to a course.

#believetoachieve

 

[3565]

Each to their own, but using a map/chart/book to read the green? Come on, seriously? Use your eyes, judgement and skill. Man and putter in sync, referring to a chart to roll a ball along the floor? Come off it. Pull the other one.

Hey that's fine, like you say each to there own, I'm presuming here, but next time you play, use your eyes and judgement and skill, man, clubs and ball in sync and leave your stroke saver, gps or laser finder at home then!!!!!!

 

[virtuocity]

Maps not required.

I don't have a map.

 

[virtuocity]

I don't see how a table helps decide that as it still requires you to use your eyes to determine the steepness of said slope.

Go on a course.

Also, what is there to stop somebody who has been on the course sharing exactly what the "secret" is?

Pay me £39 and I'll tell you.