Anyone Learned Aimpoint? Your Thoughts?

[Foxholer]

Anyone using the Pythagoras method.

Something about about Squaws and Hippopotamus Hides?

Two balls and hole make

Careful!

Draw imaginary line between the two balls (the base line) and walk along it looking at the hole - with another imaginary line drawn between yourself and the hole.

Move along the base line until the angles between the two imaginary lines is a right angle - as best as you can judge obviously. When it is look at each ball in turn. Whichever looks furthest from you is first away.

I use a slightly different Geometric method - equally convoluted to explain - occasionally.

 

[virtuocity]

I've been using Aimpoint since early 2012, and been using the Express read recently through the knowledge I've gained by using the chart. Reading these posts you will always get sceptics about something new and Aimpoint is revolutionary. You go to the range, hit balls, pace, laser, gps the distance so you have a better knowledge of how far you hit each club, you go on Trackman and number crunch your AoA, smash whacker, launch of orbit, terminal velocity of the little white missile, and boast how far you can smash your driver, that can be tweeked down to 7.75* with XX-stiff macho shaft................ Why be so cynical when a guy who took time and effort to produce something that gives you no matter what the speed of green is the amount of break required after you have taken certain parameters into account.

I've had players stand and watch what I'm doing on the putting green and they always say the same thing, too bloody complicated, it is if you don't apply the brain, but when I show and then drain the putt without studying the putt the normal way, it shuts them up.

Great post.

I did the Aimpoint Express course last week (£40) and it was fascinating. I've taken a huge amount from it and my last two rounds have been superb on the greens. I rarely (if ever) sink any putts from 6 feet and over but have played 3 rounds since and have slotted a lot more. 3 putts have suddenly deserted me!

The main thing I took away was that I was always looking for a break that wasn't there. I'm now confident enough to hit a putt, even from 20 feet away, straight.

I don't think I'd bother with the Midpoint course as I don't fancy carrying around charts with me etc and I reckon that Express 2 course will be getting hit next. It deals with multiple break putts.

£40 well spent.

Oh- I was dubious too.

 

[standrew]

Great post.

I did the Aimpoint Express course last week (£40) and it was fascinating. I've taken a huge amount from it and my last two rounds have been superb on the greens. I rarely (if ever) sink any putts from 6 feet and over but have played 3 rounds since and have slotted a lot more. 3 putts have suddenly deserted me!

The main thing I took away was that I was always looking for a break that wasn't there. I'm now confident enough to hit a putt, even from 20 feet away, straight.

I don't think I'd bother with the Midpoint course as I don't fancy carrying around charts with me etc and I reckon that Express 2 course will be getting hit next. It deals with multiple break putts.

£40 well spent.

Oh- I was dubious too.

Bargain. Im there.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

just have a good look at the break and visualise the putt. Pick your spot on the putt trajectory to aim at and hit a straight putt at that spot. Bobby Locke - all putts are straight...

This is the right answer :thup:

Too many variables using the aimpoint method.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

This is the right answer :thup:

Too many variables using the aimpoint method.

Have you actually tried it? Can't see how you can dismiss it without learning how to do it properly and giving it a go

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Have you actually tried it? Can't see how you can dismiss it without learning how to do it properly and giving it a go

No and I have no interest in trying it to be honest. I don't have a problem reading greens, when I get a putt wrong it's because I've misjudged the speed.

My question is....if this method is so good, how come nobody has thought about it in the 500 years that golf has been around? Just a fad I think, spend time on the practice green if you are struggling.

And these charts, who plots them out? And what about the natural movement in greens over time, particularly on new courses?

 

[3565]

No and I have no interest in trying it to be honest. I don't have a problem reading greens, when I get a putt wrong it's because I've misjudged the speed.

My question is....if this method is so good, how come nobody has thought about it in the 500 years that golf has been around? Just a fad I think, spend time on the practice green if you are struggling.

And these charts, who plots them out? And what about the natural movement in greens over time, particularly on new courses?

Theres a daft post if ever I saw one, pity Trackman wasn't invented back then as well, or metal woods, or gps laser finders.......

I always say if you've not tried it you can't comment as you don't know the facts

 

[standrew]

My question is....if this method is so good, how come nobody has thought about it in the 500 years that golf has been around? Just a fad I think, spend time on the practice green if you are struggling.

How come if traditional putt reading methods are so great, why has there only a tiny handful of truly top quality putters in modern history out of the hundreds of top pros?

 

[virtuocity]

 

[3565]

Agree, and That depends on what the change is?

 

[HomerJSimpson]

How come if traditional putt reading methods are so great, why has there only a tiny handful of truly top quality putters in modern history out of the hundreds of top pros?

Stacey Lewis. One of the best female golfers on the planet right now and plenty of others have used it or tried it. Getting more popular with express read.

 

[Foxholer]

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And these charts, who plots them out? And what about the natural movement in greens over time, particularly on new courses?

Theres a daft post if ever I saw one, pity Trackman wasn't invented back then as well, or metal woods, or gps laser finders.......

I always say if you've not tried it you can't comment as you don't know the facts

Wow! Agreeing with 3565 and disagreeing with D4S at the same time! Rare enough for either, let alone both!

One of the 'Facts' is that the charts are not for specific greens. They are the end result of the calculation taking speed of green, length of putt and 'average' slope into consideration (roughly speaking). So essentially universal.

@Standrew. 1. There will always be a Top n% of anything. The 'quality' that defines that level just changes! And those that are trying to improve are either trying to get into that 'top n%' or maintain their position. No different from Road to Dubai Ranking/World scale for example. Top n% Driving Distance might be a better analogy.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Theres a daft post if ever I saw one, pity Trackman wasn't invented back then as well, or metal woods, or gps laser finders.......

I always say if you've not tried it you can't comment as you don't know the facts

Completely different, they involve technology that has been devised over time. There isn't any technology involved in a ball rolling across some grass.

How come if traditional putt reading methods are so great, why has there only a tiny handful of truly top quality putters in modern history out of the hundreds of top pros?

And there are suddenly loads more top quality putters now? Show me the stats to prove it.

Stacey Lewis. One of the best female golfers on the planet right now and plenty of others have used it or tried it. Getting more popular with express read.

Again, show me the stats to prove they are holing more putts now.


So you guys that use this method, you turn up at a course you've never played before and get to the first green.....then what? You start mapping it all out and hold up play or you look at the putt as before and use your judgement to work out the line and pace?

 

[Foxholer]

So you guys that use this method, you turn up at a course you've never played before and get to the first green.....then what? You start mapping it all out and hold up play or you look at the putt as before and use your judgement to work out the line and pace?

It's NOT MAPPING!

Btw. Given that Greens, as we know then today, really only became official in very early 1950s, Green Reading skills haven't been so impoirtant for most of the 500 years of golf. We've been luck the hole has been the right size.....no, better not!:rofl:

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

It's NOT MAPPING!

Insert word of your choice in place of mapping, the concept is still the same. You look at the contours, estimate the pace, select your line and hit the putt. Nothing has changed, it's just been wrapped up and resold as a 'new' product so that someone can make a few bucks.

What about other variables such as things like bermuda grass where the grain changes during the course of the day?

 

[virtuocity]

The stack and tilt of putting.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

The stack and tilt of putting.

This could possibly be the truest comment ever posted on here

 

[3565]

Completely different, they involve technology that has been devised over time. There isn't any technology involved in a ball rolling across some grass.



And there are suddenly loads more top quality putters now? Show me the stats to prove it.



Again, show me the stats to prove they are holing more putts now.


So you guys that use this method, you turn up at a course you've never played before and get to the first green.....then what? You start mapping it all out and hold up play or you look at the putt as before and use your judgement to work out the line and pace?

When Nicklaus turned Pro he was the first to chart out yardages on courses as to give him an advantage over FCs, he knew how far he hit the ball, now it's not normal to NOT have a yardage book, gps, laser finder! Technology in this game is massive as we all know, from the first metal wood to the nano space tech shafts. Aimpoint was devised to assist in helping to hole more putts within 20ft range as statistically above that distance you hole less the further away you are, stands to reason? The pros have green mapped charts that indicate severity of slope in percent and direction to help them which has been gained from their caddies and them thru years of playing at the same courses year after year. Aimpoint is no different apart from that it helps you how far right left you need to aim your putt to pending on the The thing with Aimpoint is that if hypothetically we played a course with a stimp of 9, then played the next day and the stimp increased to say 11 or 12, I would think you'd have a hard time to adjust to the increase of speed which means allowing for more break and trusting that what you think is the amount of break is correct, and have the confidence that's your line and trust it , (not knocking your ability as a golfer here). I have been on greens and said no way that will break that much, but I've holed it. It's freakish, honestly. The express read is even quicker although not as accurate as aimpoint, but from 40 ft where your expectations in holing is next to nil, it's a great tool to try and eliminate 3 putts.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

When Nicklaus turned Pro he was the first to chart out yardages on courses as to give him an advantage over FCs, he knew how far he hit the ball, now it's not normal to NOT have a yardage book, gps, laser finder! Technology in this game is massive as we all know, from the first metal wood to the nano space tech shafts. Aimpoint was devised to assist in helping to hole more putts within 20ft range as statistically above that distance you hole less the further away you are, stands to reason? The pros have green mapped charts that indicate severity of slope in percent and direction to help them which has been gained from their caddies and them thru years of playing at the same courses year after year. Aimpoint is no different apart from that it helps you how far right left you need to aim your putt to pending on the The thing with Aimpoint is that if hypothetically we played a course with a stimp of 9, then played the next day and the stimp increased to say 11 or 12, I would think you'd have a hard time to adjust to the increase of speed which means allowing for more break and trusting that what you think is the amount of break is correct, and have the confidence that's your line and trust it , (not knocking your ability as a golfer here). I have been on greens and said no way that will break that much, but I've holed it. It's freakish, honestly. The express read is even quicker although not as accurate as aimpoint, but from 40 ft where your expectations in holing is next to nil, it's a great tool to try and eliminate 3 putts.

I don't doubt what you are saying but there really isn't anything new in this concept. The bottom line is you have to be able to judge line and pace, whichever method you choose to use. Using charts, maps, whatever you want to call them won't necessarily make you a better putter but spending time on the practice green learning to read putts and control distance WILL make you a better putter :thup:

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

For me this whole Aimpoint stuff doesn't fit with one of the basics that underpin the ethos of the game - the individual using his skill and judgement.

But you all know I would say that.