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Another flipping war

PhilTheFragger said:
If Assad had nothing to hide over the chemical attack, then why did he wait 5 days before letting the UN inspectors into the site.

Sounds like a clean up operation to me.
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And why were the UN inspectors being shot at by snipers which ever side they were from?

drawboy said:
My money would be on the CIA. The end game is the same, OIL.
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There isn't enough oil in Syria to bother with as it produces less than a third of the oil we produce so they are net importers of oil.

The bigger worry is if Russia support Assad and his regime then it has wider implications than just helping the people of Syria who are under attack from, allegedly, their own leader.
This one could get very very messy if the UN and the west are not very careful.
 
My biggest worry is that some nutter is going to fire a chemical weapon at Israel
If that happens, Israel will retaliate big time, the whole region will get sucked in, as the old hatred returns, Iran joins in,
USA will support Israel , which will fuel the fire.
Oil supplies will be disrupted, and if Russia turns off the oil and gas taps then this will effect us directly.

So it isn't "none of our business" do we do nothing or do we do something to try to contain the situation?

I'm glad I'm not a politician
 
It seams for now, at least, that reason has prevailed. Lets see what the results from the UN team have to tell us first.
If its proved that Assad has used WMD then some sort of military action is justified IMO.
We have done nowt for 2 years, so to rush in now would be a bit daft, as said we're not the world police, thats supposed to be the UN.
The whole eagerness that some politicians have shown for military action annoys me. Where were these same politicians when Russia gassed the Chechens??
Ofcourse Russia can fight back, not saying that had anything to do with our reluctance to get involved in that little conflict you understand. :rolleyes:
 
assad has used chemical weapons 14 times before this one (if it was him ) so why the big puffing out of the chest by the americans now,as for our government we are just towing the American line because we have to,have any other country said they will use force,what about the germans or for that matter spain,italy,poland or some eastern country,a dead child in the gutter is still a dead child wether killed by gas or by our bombs,that would teach them a lesson,you killed innocent children so we will do the same only by a legal method !!
 
With our "pinpoint accurate" air strikes haha
How pinpoint can a missile be, unless its going through his chest and NOT exploding
 
The whole thing stinks to be honest.

The US government made a real bonehead move by announcing to the entire world that they would respond to a Chem / Bio weapon attack last year.

Now that Assad is basically smashing the resistance into submission and (potentially) not long from winning, it seems logical that one of the many opposition groups would conduct this attack. After all what have they got to lose, apart from 2000 civilians? After all freedom does come at a cost.......

Even if it was Assad that ordered the attack. Why should this attack be any worse than other that have gone in the past?

He must have slaughtered tens of thousands during this conflict. Why should we suddenly be worried because the last 2000 were murdered by gas instead of ordinance?
 
Politicians have had a rougth ride on here recently, quite rightly so on most occasions, but last night showed to the world not only the strength of our democracy but the inherent strength in democracy as a whole.
So credit were credit is due, well done parliament.
I would also like to thank the government MPs, both tory and liberal, who put there concience above party politics and voted against military intervention last night. Perhaps there are a few MPs who are there for the right reasons after all.
I'am now going for a lie down, not quite believing i have just praised a tory on a public forum.
The worlds gone mad.. :o
 
blackpuddinmonster said:
Politicians have had a rougth ride on here recently, quite rightly so on most occasions, but last night showed to the world not only the strength of our democracy but the inherent strength in democracy as a whole.
So credit were credit is due, well done parliament.
I would also like to thank the government MPs, both tory and liberal, who put there concience above party politics and voted against military intervention last night. Perhaps there are a few MPs who are there for the right reasons after all.
I'am now going for a lie down, not quite believing i have just praised a tory on a public forum.
The worlds gone mad.. :o
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and yet Paddy Ashdown comes across as a Liberal war monger who wouldn't have battered a eye lid and would have gone straight in!

A close allie we may be to the USA but it should never be a given that we should always follow them gun-ho into any fight they choose to get into.
 
It was nice to see the majority recognising for once that the situation in Syria is unlikely to be improved by several Cruise missiles arriving in downtown Damascus and wreaking havoc, devastation and death.
 
Fish said:
and yet Paddy Ashdown comes across as a Liberal war monger who wouldn't have battered a eye lid and would have gone straight in!

A close allie we may be to the USA but it should never be a given that we should always follow them gun-ho into any fight they choose to get into.
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I tend not to take much notice in what the liberals have to say. They've done more u-turns than a lost cab driver.
Then again, Dave & Ed aren't averse to the odd 360 when it suits them either.
There you go, after one post patting them on their backs, i'am now back to calling them.
Sanity has returned. ;)

BTW there is nothing in your post that i disagree with, although i believe Pantsdown didn't get to vote, didn't someone make him a lord ??
 
I'll just copy and paste here what I wrote on Syria thread as just noticed that this is the active one...

And so last night 'parliament decided'. But listening to many of the public speaking on radio this morning I do wonder if they realise what the votes last night really mean - most of their comments suggest they do not - but I fear that maybe they do.

Given that the Labour amendment urging caution, wait and see, confirmation, definate evidence that it was the Assad regime etc was also defeated - we find ourselves in the position that we - the UK government - will not under any circumstances sanction any support to or involvement in any form of military intervention in Syria. So even if it is uncontrovertibly proved beyond ANY doubt that the Assad regime perpetrated a heinous act of war - and a war crime in blatent contravention with the Geneva convention - the United kingdom will stand aside and not get involved.

Given that this seems to be happily acceptable to the majority of the population of this country (given what I have heard last night and this morning) I can draw one conclusion - and there are many. My one sad conclusion is that the British people do not care about death and maiming of Syrian civilians. I have heared many say that they DO care and that use of chemical weapons DOES concern them - but by their words and actions are they judged. It seems to me that many, and that may well be the majority, in the UK bluntly couldn't actually give a monkey's about Syria and the plight of the Syrian people.

And you know - this really doesn't surprise me as in my view we have become a very selfish people, and this is being reflected in us become a selfish and isolationist nation. For me Paddy Ashdown was correct. He is ashamed - I am ashamed. We are happy to walk by, to tell someone else what we have seen and expect them to sort it out. God forbid it is ever us lying by the wayside in need of help.
 
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Vice said:
With our "pinpoint accurate" air strikes haha
How pinpoint can a missile be, unless its going through his chest and NOT exploding
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btw - you have no idea how accurate these weapons are and how they work - but I do. How accurate is your golf GPS thingy? well I can tell you that compared with cruise missile guidance technology that's pretty ciude stuff as it happens...
 
All a bit melodramatic if I may say.

It was only a parliamentary motion brought as an attempt by DC to legitimise UK support for the USA's impending delivery of cruise missiles to downtown Damascus.

If/when things change or become clearer in the future, further debates can be had, other motions raised and they may well be approved. Last night doesn't change that.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I'll just copy and paste here what I wrote on Syria thread as just noticed that this is the active one...

And so last night 'parliament decided'. But listening to many of the public speaking on radio this morning I do wonder if they realise what the votes last night really mean - most of their comments suggest they do not - but I fear that maybe they do.

Given that the Labour amendment urging caution, wait and see, confirmation, definiate evidence that it was the Assad regime etc was also defeated - we find ourselves in the position that we - the UK government - will not under any circumstances sanction any support to or involvement in any form of military intervention in Syria. So even if it is uncontrovertibly proved beyond ANY doubt that the Assad regime perpetrated a heinous act of war - and a war crime in blatent contravention with the Geneva convention - the United kingdom will stand aside and not get involved.

Given that this seems to be happily acceptable to the majority of the population of this country (given what I have heard last night and this morning) I can draw one conclusion - and there are many. My one sad conclusion is that the British people do not care about death and maiming of Syrian civilians. I have heared many say that they DO care and that use of chemical weapons DOES concern them - but by their words and actions are they judged. It seems to me that many, and that may well be the majority, in the UK bluntly couldn't actually give a monkey's about Syria and the plight of the Syrian people.

And you know - this really doesn't surprise me as in my view we have become a very selfish people, and this is being reflected in us become a selfish and isolationist nation. For me Paddy Ashdown was correct. He is ashamed - I am ashamed. We are happy to walk by, to tell someone else what we have seen and expect them to sort it out. God forbid it is ever us lying by the wayside in need of help.
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Far too dramatic for me.

The USA nor the UN have submitted or produced any proof yet on any level, as such we cannot go in on a whim, like we have done before and are still counting the costs!

I am sure that should any proof without defence is shown that Assad has used chemicals in the footage we have seen, then parliament can be asked once again but then with the knowledge that crimes have been committed can vote again, until then, its the right decision. However, even when and if that evidence does come to light, I'd hope that Russia then gets off the fence and has an input which would stop us throwing any missiles at Syria.

If we want to be the worlds police, then lets do it everywhere where we know first hand that atrocities take place, but would we, NO!
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
btw - you have no idea how accurate these weapons are and how they work - but I do. How accurate is your golf GPS thingy? well I can tell you that compared with cruise missile guidance technology that's pretty ciude stuff as it happens...
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Still open to user error which I have seen first hand!
 
ger147 said:
All a bit melodramatic if I may say.

It was only a parliamentary motion brought as an attempt by DC to legitimise UK support for the USA's impending delivery of cruise missiles to downtown Damascus.

If/when things change or become clearer in the future, further debates can be had, other motions raised and they may well be approved. Last night doesn't change that.
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Is the correct view point and answer
 
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