And, we're off.....2016/17

[Papas1982]

Lots of differing reports suggesting that a deal hasn't been done yet - but £60mil and £200k a week is a lot of money for a CB

I agree. Although I think a £60m vvd is better than a £50m stones.

£200k is par for the course for players commanding those fees.

Time for our scouts outs to work magic again!

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Lots of differing reports suggesting that a deal hasn't been done yet - but £60mil and £200k a week is a lot of money for a CB

Reports suggesting that we'd agreed personal terms of £180k pw then tried to change it to £130kpw + bonus' ,IF it's true, it doesn't look like the manager is being "Properly" backed.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Reports suggesting that we'd agreed personal terms of £180k pw then tried to change it to £130kpw + bonus' ,IF it's true, it doesn't look like the manager is being "Properly" backed.

I expect the "reports" are to be taken with a pinch of salt.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

I expect the "reports" are to be taken with a pinch of salt.

With FSG's/Committee previous I'll keep an open mind.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

It seems VVD is on his way to city......

Maybe only paper talk

 

[davemc1]

With FSG's/Committee previous I'll keep an open mind.

Continually slagging off fsg/the committee is hardly the actions of someone keeping an open mind :ears: rightly or or wrongly they have lost you're backing and trust, which is fair enough.

I think it's fair to say they are more frugal than that of our rivals, but I don't see others banging down the door to snap us up and throw £100ms at it. However, I do agree it's time for Klopp to receive a serious war chest.

As for Solanke, well I'm a bit lost on that one if truth be told, but at £3m it's not like we're taking a huge gamble.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Continually slagging off fsg/the committee is hardly the actions of someone keeping an open mind :ears: rightly or or wrongly they have lost you're backing and trust, which is fair enough.

I think it's fair to say they are more frugal than that of our rivals, but I don't see others banging down the door to snap us up and throw £100ms at it. However, I do agree it's time for Klopp to receive a serious war chest.

As for Solanke, well I'm a bit lost on that one if truth be told, but at £3m it's not like we're taking a huge gamble.

While I agree, do we really need him this season? This summer needs to be all about
buying quality, not more potential.

As for VVD, klopp has been courting him since January if we fail to land him after this long for the reasons that are being reported then FSG/transfer committee/Micheal Edwards need a proper shoeing.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

While I agree, do we really need him this season? This summer needs to be all about
buying quality, not more potential.

As for VVD, klopp has been courting him since January if we fail to land him after this long for the reasons that are being reported then FSG/transfer committee/Micheal Edwards need a proper shoeing.

Getting a young lad in for a couple mil isn't going to make any difference to other targets

And every top team has been courting VVD - he is hot property and it will come down to the player and who he wants to go to. If he picks another team why is it anyone's fault ?

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Getting Solanke in is only bad if he is the only striker you buy this summer. One for the bench and cup games. See how he develops. Easy decision.

VVD is going to be tricky to land as CH are massively in demand. If City come calling there is only going to be one winner.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Getting a young lad in for a couple mil isn't going to make any difference to other targets

And every top team has been courting VVD - he is hot property and it will come down to the player and who he wants to go to. If he picks another team why is it anyone's fault ?

Phil, I've not got an issue if he picks somebody else over us if we match offers, my issue is if we've agreed personal terms then tried to renegotiate a lower deal to save £720k a year like what is being reported.

The money being spunked on more potential could be the difference between klopp getting his #1 target or not.

Don't forget the failed deals for salah, alli, konopylanka etc when we were in the driving seat and look what we ended up with.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Getting Solanke in is only bad if he is the only striker you buy this summer. One for the bench and cup games. See how he develops. Easy decision.

VVD is going to be tricky to land as CH are massively in demand. If City come calling there is only going to be one winner.

Well either pay up or play Klavan. It really is that simple.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Phil, I've not got an issue if he picks somebody else over us if we match offers, my issue is if we've agreed personal terms then tried to renegotiate a lower deal to save £720k a year like what is being reported.

The money being spunked on more potential could be the difference between klopp getting his #1 target or not.

£3mil being the difference between getting a target or not ? Really ? Do you really distrust our owners that much to suggest that they wouldn't pay an extra 3m to get a signing if Klopp really wanted him - remembering how much we have paid over the odds on players since they arrived ?!

As for this renegotiate terms ?! Again are you that paranoid to believe something like that ?

The only reports i see are The Echo has the club being prepared to match whatever City and Chelsea offer because Klopp wants him ? Along with others saying the same ? As Dave said for some reason they have lost your trust so are you going to grab every little bit of negativity and run with that ?

Every club has failed deals - Salah picked Chelsea over us , someone decided not to take the risk on Alli and Konoplankya was that not down to the owners of his club who refused to sell

 

[Pin-seeker]

Getting a young lad in for a couple mil isn't going to make any difference to other targets

And every top team has been courting VVD - he is hot property and it will come down to the player and who he wants to go to. If he picks another team why is it anyone's fault ?

Does the same apply when Arsenal lose out on a target?

 

[Pin-seeker]

Is he really worth the figures being mentioned?
It really as gone crazy.
How much would Bale or Neymar cost now?

 

[Lord Tyrion]

More 😁. The figures are scary because he is a genuinely good CH that can cope in the PL. Lots of pricey imports in that position haven't worked recently. He is a sure bet so the price is inflated.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

£3mil being the difference between getting a target or not ? Really ?

Yes Phil really. That was the figure that Basel wanted more for Salah first time around no now we're looking at paying triple of what Chelsea paid for him. Then there's the extra £5k a week wages they wouldn't pay Ali. £3m for konopylanka etc the list goes on Phil on their watch Phil.

Do you really distrust our owners that much to suggest that they wouldn't pay an extra 3m to get a signing if Klopp really wanted him - remembering how much we have paid over the odds on players since they arrived ?!

No I don't trust them and I don't fall for their PR BS

As for this renegotiate terms ?! Again are you that paranoid to believe something like that ?

I'm not paranoid at all and I've not said I believe it but by the same token they've got previous for failing to tie deals up. Go back to post 11562 I've even highlighted and underlined itfor you

The only reports i see are The Echo has the club being prepared to match whatever City and Chelsea offer because Klopp wants him ? Along with others saying the same ? As Dave said for some reason they have lost your trust so are you going to grab every little bit of negativity and run with that ?

Some reason?? Mmmmm I wonder what that reason is Phil? Go on Phil have a guess?

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Every club has failed deals - Salah picked Chelsea over us , someone decided not to take the risk on Alli and Konoplankya was that not down to the owners of his club who refused to sell

See you fell for the PR BS, just like you did with the Sterling/Ibe BS.

Salah -Chelsea came in after we failed to stump up the extra £3m quid and that is a fact.

Konopylanka- Ayre goes over to tie the deal up for 5 days and comes back with a bag of duty free and a dose off the local brass.

£5k pw was the stumbling block for Ali after the committee who are employed by FSG pulled the plug.

There's plenty more, I could go on but I won't.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Some reason?? Mmmmm I wonder what that reason is Phil? Go on Phil have a guess?

Actually Stu when I go back to what life was like before they arrived when we were very very close to being in serious danger im very glad they came in and have spent money , as with every owner they will no doubt make mistakes , they said from the start they will want to club to be self sufficient and they haven't gone back on that. Money has been spent on players with some of it wasted with poor signings but then that's the same with every club. I'm not sure at times what people want - there is no such thing as the perfect owner , people don't want a bankroll situation like Chelsea and City , yet people say self sufficient they don't want. A lot of money has been spent - a lot , more under this ownership than anyone else. Are they perfect ? Far from it - not sure which owner is.

As a club at times we will have to just walk away from signings to ensure we don't go mad with the fees - even Klopp himself has said that - he won't allow the club to be held for ransom if it's not needed.

Salah - different managers now , maybe Rodgers didn't think he was worth the extra money at the time , Klopp has a different thinking about him - why is it the owners fault ?

Ali - understand that was down again to BR not thinking he was worth the money to buy

Konoplanyka - we bid the required amount to trigger being allowed to speak to him but the club refused - wasn't really that bothered about that signing

But then the club did manage to get in players like Suarez and Coutinho for absolute steals , plus top players like Firmino , Mane , Lallana

Ayre is someone that has had a lot of issues in regards the deals and he is now gone. Again you seem to suggest that it's the owners refusing to pay ?

Do you have a link to the personal terms issue with Van Djik

But we could go round in circles - I think the club is in a better position now than we were before they arrived - you clearly would prefer different owners

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Actually Stu when I go back to what life was like before they arrived when we were very very close to being in serious danger im very glad they came in and have spent money , as with every owner they will no doubt make mistakes , they said from the start they will want to club to be self sufficient and they haven't gone back on that. Money has been spent on players with some of it wasted with poor signings but then that's the same with every club. I'm not sure at times what people want - there is no such thing as the perfect owner , people don't want a bankroll situation like Chelsea and City , yet people say self sufficient they don't want. A lot of money has been spent - a lot , more under this ownership than anyone else. Are they perfect ? Far from it - not sure which owner is.

As a club at times we will have to just walk away from signings to ensure we don't go mad with the fees - even Klopp himself has said that - he won't allow the club to be held for ransom if it's not needed.

Salah - different managers now , maybe Rodgers didn't think he was worth the extra money at the time , Klopp has a different thinking about him - why is it the owners fault ?

Rodgers wanted him!!

Ali - understand that was down again to BR not thinking he was worth the money to buy

Again, Rodgers had met him in a hotel and spoken with him. He thought the deal was done.

Konoplanyka - we bid the required amount to trigger being allowed to speak to him but the club refused - wasn't really that bothered about that signing

it doesn't matter if your not bothered about that signing, the manager wanted him and wasn't backed properly

But then the club did manage to get in players like Suarez and Coutinho for absolute steals , plus top players like Firmino , Mane , Lallana

Ayre is someone that has had a lot of issues in regards the deals and he is now gone. Again you seem to suggest that it's the owners refusing to pay ?

Do you have a link to the personal terms issue with Van Djik

But we could go round in circles - I think the club is in a better position now than we were before they arrived - you clearly would prefer different owners

It's easy blaming Rodgers for everything, so why not put some of the blame at the owners feet?

Phil, have a read of this article here https://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jan/27/liverpool-brendan-rodgers-chelsea-mohamed-salah

"The money guys" comment sums it up.

 

[sawtooth]

Liverpool are just not a big club anymore, be grateful Salah is even talking with you. He probably wants to go to a club that can win a trophy.

:ears: