And, we're off.....2016/17

[Deleted member 15344]

He already has changed it.

Wenger has been tracking Mbappe and enquired about him long before he became a household name but I agree I think he will go to Madrid or Barcelona.

Ospina could be off and every team needs 2 quality goalkeepers. Personally I would take Schnezy back from loan and spend the money elsewhere.

It seems Arsenal are always tracking and making enquiries about all these top players when they become big stars - so the question is , why don't they ever buy them before they become a big name ? It seems they are unwilling to take a risk , Wenger doesn't seem to want to spend the £20 to £30 mil on an young unknown with the potential that they become a global star , Ray Parlour was sayin that it's time for Wenger tonrealise it's not his money he is spending so he doesn't need to be safe with it

 

[sawtooth]

It seems Arsenal are always tracking and making enquiries about all these top players when they become big stars - so the question is , why don't they ever buy them before they become a big name ? It seems they are unwilling to take a risk , Wenger doesn't seem to want to spend the £20 to £30 mil on an young unknown with the potential that they become a global star , Ray Parlour was sayin that it's time for Wenger tonrealise it's not his money he is spending so he doesn't need to be safe with it

He can spend more now and we've seen that in the last few years. Maybe he should have spent £36M on Martial:ears:

You have to be very careful when you are spending the clubs money, just because they have a big price tag doesn't mean they are worth it. Look at Pogba , Stones, good players but are you telling me that they are worth £100M and £50M respectively?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

He can spend more now and we've seen that in the last few years. Maybe he should have spent £36M on Martial:ears:

You have to be very careful when you are spending the clubs money, just because they have a big price tag doesn't mean they are worth it. Look at Pogba , Stones, good players but are you telling me that they are worth £100M and £50M respectively?

Martial is still a very good player - it's not his fault Maureen doesn't give him a run.

The problem is Wenger is too careful - at times you have to take the risk on players and spend the money on someone who could flop or could rip the Prem apart. Pogba was overpriced but is a great player who will get better in the Prem but you can't use those as justification to not spend money taking a risk - Man City spent how much on Jesus ? A lot of money but they took the risk.

If Arsenal were indeed tracking Mbappe why didn't they sign him or at least put a bid in for him ? They could have spent £40 mil on him two years ago but he is now a £100mil player

The is reason why Arsenal should look at a Director of Football - take the player purchases out of Wengers hands

 

[Papas1982]

Martial is still a very good player - it's not his fault Maureen doesn't give him a run.

The problem is Wenger is too careful - at times you have to take the risk on players and spend the money on someone who could flop or could rip the Prem apart. Pogba was overpriced but is a great player who will get better in the Prem but you can't use those as justification to not spend money taking a risk - Man City spent how much on Jesus ? A lot of money but they took the risk.

If Arsenal were indeed tracking Mbappe why didn't they sign him or at least put a bid in for him ? They could have spent £40 mil on him two years ago but he is now a £100mil player

The is reason why Arsenal should look at a Director of Football - take the player purchases out of Wengers hands

Whilst im in agreement that Wenger is too cautious. I think it's because Many of his better deals have been young or unknowns doing well, before teams caught up with scouting. He has bought many a flop and I think worries about it too much.

From Oma what I can see online, the mbappe wasn't a case of not being willing to stump up the cash. It was when he was out of contract and he decided to resign with Monaco.

I guess they they didn't think too highly of him as I'm sure a certain amount of cash could have been Spent on wages to convince him Arsenal was best.

 

[USER1999]

Mbappe did not want to come to Arsenal. Its that simple. He probably wants to win leagues and stuff.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Martial is still a very good player - it's not his fault Maureen doesn't give him a run.

The problem is Wenger is too careful - at times you have to take the risk on players and spend the money on someone who could flop or could rip the Prem apart. Pogba was overpriced but is a great player who will get better in the Prem but you can't use those as justification to not spend money taking a risk - Man City spent how much on Jesus ? A lot of money but they took the risk.

If Arsenal were indeed tracking Mbappe why didn't they sign him or at least put a bid in for him ? They could have spent £40 mil on him two years ago but he is now a £100mil player

The is reason why Arsenal should look at a Director of Football - take the player purchases out of Wengers hands

I believe Ian Ayre is looking for a job again.

Arsene picking them, Ayre getting them over the line - match made in heaven.

 

[sawtooth]

At last someone who sees it like me.

Former Arsenal goalkeeper Bob Wilson: "Without the Champions League, the only way is if you can compete salary-wise to attract the players.

"Chelsea bought the best player available last season in N'Golo Kante and Arsenal went for him too but came nowhere near the salary that Chelsea pay.

"Arsenal cannot compete with Manchester United, or Chelsea with all the money Roman Abramovich has, or Sheikh Mansour has at Manchester City - these are clubs who can manage to go into huge debt."

 

[Fish]

At last someone who sees it like me.

Former Arsenal goalkeeper Bob Wilson: "Without the Champions League, the only way is if you can compete salary-wise to attract the players.

"Chelsea bought the best player available last season in N'Golo Kante and Arsenal went for him too but came nowhere near the salary that Chelsea pay.

"Arsenal cannot compete with Manchester United, or Chelsea with all the money Roman Abramovich has, or Sheikh Mansour has at Manchester City - these are clubs who can manage to go into huge debt."

So in today's market of PL wages that players get, you don't think Kante warranted £110,000.00 per week and that was too far a reach for Arsenal for a quality player?

This isn't a question about wages per se as we all know some are unjustifiable, but they are what they are now and when looking at Ozil £140k, Sanchez £130k, Cech £110k and then when you compare Xhaka on £90k, I'd say Kante being proven in the PL was a great deal at £110k IMHO.

IMO Kante would have given you far more a return than Ozil ever does, he's a 110% shift player, you can't say that about Ozil who gets paid £20k a week more!

So I don't think money is the excuse for not getting and winning over Kante.

 

[sawtooth]

So in today's market of PL wages that players get, you don't think Kante warranted £110,000.00 per week and that was too far a reach for Arsenal for a quality player?

This isn't a question about wages per se as we all know some are unjustifiable, but they are what they are now and when looking at Ozil £140k, Sanchez £130k, Cech £110k and then when you compare Xhaka on £90k, I'd say Kante being proven in the PL was a great deal at £110k IMHO.

IMO Kante would have given you far more a return than Ozil ever does, he's a 110% shift player, you can't say that about Ozil who gets paid £20k a week more!

So I don't think money is the excuse for not getting and winning over Kante.

If we couldn't afford him we couldn't afford him. No doubt if had thought about selling a player to balance the books and offer Kante more then Chelsea would have gone even higher. No point entering a bidding war with Chelsea as there will only be one winner there.

The article also talks about FFP and Arsenals high wage bill.

BTW Ozil is not a lazy player stats have proved that to be a bit of a myth, Also had we tied him down to a longer contract before he would be worth at least the same now than when we bought him. As it is he may be sold cheaply this year or leave on a free next year.

If I have one criticism of Wenger or Arsenal we should not be allowing players that we won't to keep run their contracts down to within a year.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

If we couldn't afford him we couldn't afford him. No doubt if had thought about selling a player to balance the books and offer Kante more then Chelsea would have gone even higher. No point entering a bidding war with Chelsea as there will only be one winner there.

The article also talks about FFP and Arsenals high wage bill.

BTW Ozil is not a lazy player stats have proved that to be a bit of a myth, Also had we tied him down to a longer contract before he would be worth at least the same now than when we bought him. As it is he may be sold cheaply this year or leave on a free next year.

If I have one criticism of Wenger or Arsenal we should not be allowing players that we won't to keep run their contracts down to within a year.

Arsenal have the highest priced match tickets and season tickets and are you really suggesting they couldn't afford Kante ? Isn't he on less at Chelsea than Arsenal pay Xhaka? All excuses again.

 

[sawtooth]

Arsenal have the highest priced match tickets and season tickets and are you really suggesting they couldn't afford Kante ? Isn't he on less at Chelsea than Arsenal pay Xhaka? All excuses again.

No Kante gets more and I think they offered him 5 years.

What's Liverpools excuse for NEVER winning the premier league?👍

 

[Deleted member 15344]

No Kante gets more and I think they offered him 5 years.

What's Liverpools excuse for NEVER winning the premier league?👍

What difference does the amount of years matter ?!

So the Xhaka fee was more and he is on £20k a week less so overall it balances out.

Poor management at times , poor player purchases , poor tactics - you see I have no issue understanding and seeing why we have failed to win the league and instead of blaming money can see that a lot of the time it's the clubs fault .When it hasn't worked at least the club have tried to do something different as opposed to Arsenal who just do the same thing and ultimately have gone backwards.

If I ask you the same question you will blame the money at Chelsea and City and will unable to see that a lot of the reason for Arsenal not winning the league over the last 13 years is Wenger

 

[HomerJSimpson]

No Kante gets more and I think they offered him 5 years.

What's Liverpools excuse for NEVER winning the premier league?👍

Fair comment for those Liverpool fans (and other teams too) that seem obsessed with all things Arsenal. it suddenly seems Klopp getting CL football is progress and so not winning the league (or ever looking like doing so) is now progress. Wasn't that what Wenger delivered every year until this and then managed to win a trophy this season as a consolation. Is that even right? IS winning silverware now seen as a consolation prize to CL qualification?

Perhaps worrying about their own team first would be an answer and does seem to be some Arsenal knocking for the sake of it. Wenger has the cash. He has the green light to spend, lets see what he does with it and how they fare. As for not being in the CL it didn't seem to worry Chelsea or United too much in the longer term did it?

 

[sawtooth]

What difference does the amount of years matter ?!

So the Xhaka fee was more and he is on £20k a week less so overall it balances out.

Poor management at times , poor player purchases , poor tactics - you see I have no issue understanding and seeing why we have failed to win the league and instead of blaming money can see that a lot of the time it's the clubs fault .When it hasn't worked at least the club have tried to do something different as opposed to Arsenal who just do the same thing and ultimately have gone backwards.

If I ask you the same question you will blame the money at Chelsea and City and will unable to see that a lot of the reason for Arsenal not winning the league over the last 13 years is Wenger

So answer me this one simple question.

Do you think City and Chelsea would have had their success in the past 10 years without the Biliions ploughed in by their rich owners?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So answer me this one simple question.

Do you think City and Chelsea would have had their success in the past 10 years without the Biliions ploughed in by their rich owners?

Nope they wouldn't have - but that doesn't mean it's an excuse to stop Arsenal winning as Man Utd have won the title and CL a number of times in that period , Liverpool have also won the CL , Leicester the title - it's all just a convienent excuse. If the money was spent better for both Liverpool and Arsenal then they could have got themselves a title to their name in the same period

 

[sawtooth]

Nope they wouldn't have - but that doesn't mean it's an excuse to stop Arsenal winning as Man Utd have won the title and CL a number of times in that period , Liverpool have also won the CL , Leicester the title - it's all just a convienent excuse. If the money was spent better for both Liverpool and Arsenal then they could have got themselves a title to their name in the same period

No that's right.

Now look back at the league tables and remove City and Chelsea from the past 12 years.

Arsenal would have won the league 4-5 times from recollection , Liverpool once and Spurs too.

Wake up and smell the coffee, the problem isn't Wenger, no more than it's Klopp or Pochettinos fault when they fail to deliver the big trophies in years to come.

Wenger is doing great.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

No that's right.

Now look back at the league tables and remove City and Chelsea from the past 12 years.

Arsenal would have won the league 4-5 times from recollection , Liverpool once and Spurs too.

Wake up and smell the coffee, the problem isn't Wenger, no more than it's Klopp or Pochettinos fault when they fail to deliver the big trophies in years to come.

Wenger is doing great.

Arsenal finished 2nd at the end of the 2015/16 season , spent £86 mil net and then finished 5th

Chelsea finished 10th at the end of the 2015/16 season - spent £36 mil net then won the league

So Arsenal spent more than Chelsea yet went backwards - how does that work when you believe it's all about the money , surely after spending more than Chelsea you should improve more yet Arsenal went backwards ! Maybe you need to stop looking at others to blame and start on your own front door and look at your own club - far too long have just deemed getting into top 4 as success when it should just be a stepping stone - the lack of improvement over the years is now the reason why Arsenal have gone backwards

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Nope they wouldn't have - but that doesn't mean it's an excuse to stop Arsenal winning as Man Utd have won the title and CL a number of times in that period , Liverpool have also won the CL , Leicester the title - it's all just a convienent excuse. If the money was spent better for both Liverpool and Arsenal then they could have got themselves a title to their name in the same period

You keep using Leicester as an example but that was a once in a lifetime outcome that will never be seen again, done solely by a "Band of Brothers" with a manger for whom every aligned perfectly. That will never happen again. As for the others, none of the PL winners would have done so without enormous spending. This will continue again this season but Arsenal at least have the opportunity to match. Whether they do, and whether they attract enough talent to win the PL or get to the CL again, remains to be seen

 

[Papas1982]

No that's right.

Now look back at the league tables and remove City and Chelsea from the past 12 years.

Arsenal would have won the league 4-5 times from recollection , Liverpool once and Spurs too.

Wake up and smell the coffee, the problem isn't Wenger, no more than it's Klopp or Pochettinos fault when they fail to deliver the big trophies in years to come.

Wenger is doing great.

If Chelsea and City didn't have the money UTD would likely have won the league for a decade without trouble.

All the good players they lost out on would have gone to them and the league would be even more lopsided.

The sugar daddies have made the league more competitive. Not less so.

The problem is Wenger control over the club. He is totally different in his position than any other manager. He employed his own directors! The only other manager who had such control was Fergie. But he won things.

 

[Papas1982]

You keep using Leicester as an example but that was a once in a lifetime outcome that will never be seen again, done solely by a "Band of Brothers" with a manger for whom every aligned perfectly. That will never happen again. As for the others, none of the PL winners would have done so without enormous spending. This will continue again this season but Arsenal at least have the opportunity to match. Whether they do, and whether they attract enough talent to win the PL or get to the CL again, remains to be seen

Leicester won the league with 81 points I belive. Pretty sure that's about 16/22 for lowest titles winners. So whilst all teams underperformed to allow that to happen. Arsenal were top at xmas and blew their best chance. So it has some relevance.

Arsenals total that that season wouldn't have won one prem title. Lots of previous runners up have beaten 81. So it helps to prove the fact that even when all was set up for Arsenal they still blew it. That's not because their rivals have too much money. Neither was it through massive injuries. So someone has to shoulder responsibility. And at all other clubs, that someone is the manager.