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Xhaka has been great in the last 3rd of the season, getting used to the prem now and will be even better next year for us.

really?

32 games 2 goals 2 assists, shooting accuracy of 26% crossing accuracy of 19%. 77 tackles and 37 fouls leading to 2 yellows and 5 reds

For 35m+ you define that as great? That or you are comparing him just to Coquelin and then I sort of understand it lol
 
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Yeah Liverpool should clean up with Klopp in charge. 😉

In Klopps first full season he beat Arsenal twice and finished above them :thup: not bad against someone who has been managing in the Prem for two decades.
 

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Heard an arsenal fan on the radio supporting Wenger and saying for the first time in 20 years he'd failed by a couple of points. Is that the level of the fans expectation that top 4 is success? Would've thought that he's failed for the last 10 years, or however long it is since they last won the league.
 

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Heard an arsenal fan on the radio supporting Wenger and saying for the first time in 20 years he'd failed by a couple of points. Is that the level of the fans expectation that top 4 is success? Would've thought that he's failed for the last 10 years, or however long it is since they last won the league.

thats the level of that fans (and some others), its not the level of many fans hence why plenty think he should be long gone
 

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Heard an arsenal fan on the radio supporting Wenger and saying for the first time in 20 years he'd failed by a couple of points. Is that the level of the fans expectation that top 4 is success? Would've thought that he's failed for the last 10 years, or however long it is since they last won the league.

During any notmal 10 year period I would agree it's not been enough but it's been far from normal.

We've been through a huge and historic transition that happens once or twice in a clubs lifetime. Moving ground and paying for it meant that Arsenal had to sell players to balance the books.

Add to that Chelsea and Man City are doing their best to buy trophies and therefore making life very difficult for Arsenal and others.

Despite this Arsenal have remained as competitive as they could and still managed to qualify for top 4 when realistically only one space up for grabs every year. Plus we've managed to win a few FA cups along the way.

Things are different now and Arsenal do not need to sell anymore. It won't stop greedy players still wanting to leave but we will keep more quality players and recruit more.

Some fans don't grasp the reality of the situation and believe that a new manager will bring more success than Wenger but Wenger is not the issue . Times have changed and we will all do well to hang onto the coat tails of Chelsea , City and Utd. City have spent £75M already this Summer and we're not even out of May yet and that's on top of the £150M+ spent last year.

I'm not sure where some supporters expect us to be I really don't. Wenger is our best hope operating on the budget at his disposal.

4th largest budget in the league and we are nearly always around 4th spot , it's not rocket science.
 
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During any notmal 10 year period I would agree it's not been enough but it's been far from normal.

We've been through a huge and historic transition that happens once or twice in a clubs lifetime. Moving ground and paying for it meant that Arsenal had to sell players to balance the books.

Add to that Chelsea and Man City are doing their best to buy trophies and therefore making life very difficult for Arsenal and others.

Despite this Arsenal have remained as competitive as they could and still managed to qualify for top 4 when realistically only one space up for grabs every year. Plus we've managed to win a few FA cups along the way.

Things are different now and Arsenal do not need to sell anymore. It won't stop greedy players still wanting to leave but we will keep more quality players and recruit more.

Some fans don't grasp the reality of the situation and believe that a new manager will bring more success than Wenger but Wenger is not the issue . Times have changed and we will all do well to hang onto the coat tails of Chelsea , City and Utd. City have spent £75M already this Summer and we're not even out of May yet and that's on top of the £150M+ spent last year.

I'm not sure where some supporters expect us to be I really don't. Wenger is our best hope operating on the budget at his disposal.

4th largest budget in the league and we are nearly always around 4th spot , it's not rocket science.

How big was Leicester budget when they won the league ? Spent more than Spurs and Liverpool last summer yet finished behind both ? Always looking for the money excuse

Arsenal have had the money to spend its just been spent poorly , players aren't leaving Arsenal just for money , they are also leaving to win trophies

Arsenal aren't operating on some shoestring budget - they have spent plenty but imo poorly and there are better managers around that could spend the money available better
 

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How big was Leicester budget when they won the league ? Spent more than Spurs and Liverpool last summer yet finished behind both ? Always looking for the money excuse

Arsenal have had the money to spend its just been spent poorly , players aren't leaving Arsenal just for money , they are also leaving to win trophies

Arsenal aren't operating on some shoestring budget - they have spent plenty but imo poorly and there are better managers around that could spend the money available better

Leicester was a freak that none of us will see again in our lifetime.

Spurs had a couple of good seasons but won nothing and haven't won the league since 1961

Liverpool are not doing any better now than they did under Rodgers. Not won premier for over 25 years.


Arsenal spend a fortune but considerably less than Chelsea, City and United over that 10 year period.

Better managers like Klopp do you mean? Has he won anything outside Germany yet?
 

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Leicester was a freak that none of us will see again in our lifetime.

Spurs had a couple of good seasons but won nothing and haven't won the league since 1961

Liverpool are not doing any better now than they did under Rodgers. Not won premier for over 25 years.


Arsenal spend a fortune but considerably less than Chelsea, City and United over that 10 year period.

Better managers like Klopp do you mean? Has he won anything outside Germany yet?

Leicester was a one off. It's about troohy winning and why the PL is the ultimate domestic prize, surely a cup win is then second best over and above CL qualification or has the game really changed that much that top four is now more important for the financial clout it gives?
 

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not for me, decent enough player but would be a poor replacement for sanchez and doesnt get in alongside him, big plus is he knows premier league football but expect he comes with a too big price tag too

I'm not resigned to losing Sanchez yet, Mahrez would be an excellent addition to the squad and if he's not movitated completely by cash then we have a chance of landing him.
 
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