And, we're off.....2016/17

[sawtooth]

If Arsenal want more than last 16 in the CL and top 4 every year, they need to pay for the best players and it's time the board wake up to this fact. You need players of Lewandowski's level to compete. Anything else is blinkered and you could see by the reactions of some of the fans, they are getting more and more disillusioned. Granted they had just got stuffed but there murmurings are there in the PL games now as well (and more so on the tubes to and from games and in the pubs before and after according to several Arsenal season ticket holders I know)

Yeah but you have to be realistic about how much Arsenal could spend. If you say that we start spending even 50% more our already obscenely high wage bill would grow from around £200M to £300M.

Our spending is inching higher year on year and I think that's the sensible thing to do, any sudden hikes in costs could very quickly destabilise the club especially if we don't enjoy the same level of success that we've enjoyed over the past 20 years or so. No guarantees in this game.

 

[Fish]

What pay structure, its increased year on year and your waving a £40k a week increase at Ozil to take him to £180k to stay and another £25k a week to Sanchez to take him to £165k a week.

I'd send Ozil packing and build around Sanchez, but only Wenger knows the issues he's got with him and for that reason the wrong one will leave and the bad one will stay with a pay increase, but hey, you keep to your mythical pay structure that'll be £200m next season. 😂😂

 

[sawtooth]

You must be on a wind up.

A bit naïve mate. You start paying someone substantially more then others will want the same.

 

[Slime]

A bit naïve mate. You start paying someone substantially more then others will want the same.

Pay your best player top dollar.
When others complain, challenge them to play to the level of said best player.
Win, win.

 

[Fish]

A bit naïve mate. You start paying someone substantially more then others will want the same.

That's rubbish, you need to look at your wage bill and you will see players like Welbeck on £70k but Ozil on £140k (soon to be £180k) so there is plenty of disparity already in your mythical pay structure starting in your 1st team as low as £30k, so by your thinking they must all be knocking Wengers door like Oliver Twist.

Your just full of non sensical excuses and are completely in denial, your a lost cause.

 

[sawtooth]

That's rubbish, you need to look at your wage bill and you will see players like Welbeck on £70k but Ozil on £140k (soon to be £180k) so there is plenty of disparity already in your mythical pay structure starting in your 1st team as low as £30k, so by your thinking they must all be knocking Wengers door like Oliver Twist.

Your just full of non sensical excuses and are completely in denial, your a lost cause.

What are you going on about?

Of course players are in different salary brackets, you think Sanchez should get the same as Gibbs? That's not what I am saying at all. I'm saying that if you break the pay structure and start paying more to attract and retain talent then others in the squad would want a similar percentage increase. And it would be pretty difficult to refuse.

None of this applies to Chelsea of course as money is no object. Only normal and traditional football clubs need to worry about their finances.

 

[fundy]

The biggest issue with Arsenals pay structure isnt the guys at the top on the biggest salary, its the amount of very ordinary first team squad members (and below) on massively inflated salaries who get shown far too much loyalty and go on collecting their big fat salaries without actually delivering close to them in terms of value. Pay the stars the money, if anyone is worth it its them, but dont reward mediocrity with inflated salaries

 

[Fish]

What are you going on about?

Of course players are in different salary brackets, you think Sanchez should get the same as Gibbs? That's not what I am saying at all. I'm saying that if you break the pay structure and start paying more to attract and retain talent then others in the squad would want a similar percentage increase. And it would be pretty difficult to refuse.

None of this applies to Chelsea of course as money is no object. Only normal and traditional football clubs need to worry about their finances.

But that's exactly what your now doing, waving an extra £40k a week at Ozil 😂

And your making out that we have some kind of massive wage bill when in fact it's currently only £17m difference from your per year, but when you factor our excellent resale revenue for our players that £17m comfortably disappears, yours won't! plus, we could offset that £17m by charging an extra £12 per ticket (still less than yours) but we don't want to fleece our fans like Arsenal do.

Have you seen all the protests outside the ground, will he make it to the end of the season 🤔

 

[USER1999]

The biggest issue with Arsenals pay structure isnt the guys at the top on the biggest salary, its the amount of very ordinary first team squad members (and below) on massively inflated salaries who get shown far too much loyalty and go on collecting their big fat salaries without actually delivering close to them in terms of value. Pay the stars the money, if anyone is worth it its them, but dont reward mediocrity with inflated salaries

Hey you, i was about to type that! Stop stealing my posts!

 

[Hobbit]

The biggest issue with Arsenals pay structure isnt the guys at the top on the biggest salary, its the amount of very ordinary first team squad members (and below) on massively inflated salaries who get shown far too much loyalty and go on collecting their big fat salaries without actually delivering close to them in terms of value. Pay the stars the money, if anyone is worth it its them, but dont reward mediocrity with inflated salaries

Well said. There's some very average dross in that squad... mind you, Middlesbrough could do with some of them.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Well said. There's some very average dross in that squad... mind you, Middlesbrough could do with some of them.

Do you think they will be up for a battle in the championship? :rofl:

 

[USER1999]

Do you think they will be up for a battle in the championship? :rofl:

With the right management, yes, i do.

 

[Hobbit]

Do you think they will be up for a battle in the championship? :rofl:

No. Karanka has dismantled a half decent, fighting team and brought in players that, in the main, struggled in their own leagues. If Boro don't stay up, and I don't expect them to, they'll be mid table in the Championship at best, and carrying expensive dross.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Joking apart he at some point has to let them off the leash. They are so terrified to concede that you don't give yourselves a chance to score. I'm not too sure about your last comment. I have taken notice of the Championship more this year and the quality does not look great. It may be a tough division to get out of but it is not a great league. Hopefully your wage structure has adjustments built in if you go down.

 

[MegaSteve]

The biggest issue with Arsenals pay structure isnt the guys at the top on the biggest salary, its the amount of very ordinary first team squad members (and below) on massively inflated salaries who get shown far too much loyalty and go on collecting their big fat salaries without actually delivering close to them in terms of value. Pay the stars the money, if anyone is worth it its them, but dont reward mediocrity with inflated salaries

Right now only the Ox is showing enough endeavour on a regular basis...

 

[stokie_93]

Joking apart he at some point has to let them off the leash. They are so terrified to concede that you don't give yourselves a chance to score. I'm not too sure about your last comment. I have taken notice of the Championship more this year and the quality does not look great. It may be a tough division to get out of but it is not a great league. Hopefully your wage structure has adjustments built in if you go down.

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Been a funny old season in the championship, some teams you expect to be up there massively underperforming: Norwich, Derby, Villa.
Other teams having great seasons like Reading, Leeds & especially Huddersfield.

For me Newcastle are a dead cert to come back up and have been since the start, way too much quality in that side for the Championship.
Brighton the last two games (before last night) didn't pick up any points and were really poor against Forest. I think they'll just about get the 2nd automatic place above Huddersfield.

I reckon the playoff positions will be how it is now, who goes through is anyone's guess, on the day any of them teams can beat eachother. Think it'd be good to see Leeds back up there but I really would like Huddersfield or Sheff Wednesday to do it!

 

[richart]

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Been a funny old season in the championship, some teams you expect to be up there massively underperforming: Norwich, Derby, Villa.
Other teams having great seasons like Reading, Leeds & especially Huddersfield.

For me Newcastle are a dead cert to come back up and have been since the start, way too much quality in that side for the Championship.
Brighton the last two games (before last night) didn't pick up any points and were really poor against Forest. I think they'll just about get the 2nd automatic place above Huddersfield.

I reckon the playoff positions will be how it is now, who goes through is anyone's guess, on the day any of them teams can beat eachother. Think it'd be good to see Leeds back up there but I really would like Huddersfield or Sheff Wednesday to do it!

So basically anyone but Reading through the play offs.:angry:

 

[Jensen]

Disappointing late goal but another 3 points and another game less, keeping the donkey quiet was key as we knew we were going to get an Aerial bombardment and I think the tactics were spot on.

I think describing Andy Carroll as a donkey is pretty harsh. He's got more to his game than just his aerial threat. He's got a decent strike with his left boot and can also use his less favoured right. He's physically strong and can hold the ball up.

Now Tony Cascarino, he was a donkey - truly awful. Could head a ball, but that was it, he couldn't use his feet at all. Oh didn't he once play for Chelski 😂😂

 

[Jensen]

Hate to admit it, but as a Spurs fan, I'll have to agree with the Gooner, Sawgrass. You've got to have a wage structure in place, you can't merely go out and pay players £x amount of thousands per week. Otherwise it'll bankrupt you, look what happened to Leeds under Ridsdale.

What happens when sugar daddy Abramovich loses interest in his latest plaything, Chelski, and decides to walk away ? Can they still meet all those contracts without his rubies ? That would concern me

 

[Pin-seeker]

Hate to admit it, but as a Spurs fan, I'll have to agree with the Gooner, Sawgrass. You've got to have a wage structure in place, you can't merely go out and pay players £x amount of thousands per week. Otherwise it'll bankrupt you, look what happened to Leeds under Ridsdale.

What happens when sugar daddy Abramovich loses interest in his latest plaything, Chelski, and decides to walk away ? Can they still meet all those contracts without his rubies ? That would concern me

Does the players wages actually come from him personally?
Or money generated from the club?