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So do I , buy Bayerns best players.

#TheChelseaWay

If we did they would be worth more when we then sold them on and they'd have some silverware, what's your shower worth now, and more importantly who'd want them?

#GroundhogDay, I can here the boos from here 😂😂
 

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Not sure you can really defend a 10-2 aggregate defeat in any way shape or form. Wenger and the players need to be able to adapt to changes in circumstances, good and bad on the pitch, and when things are going wrong, either accept them and put in a professional damage limitation performance, and, assuming it's 11 v 11, find a plan B to change it. That plan B seems sadly lacking, although in Wenger's defence there are other PL manager's who can't seem to do this
 
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10-2 is cringe, any other club the manager would be long gone, don't understand why the Arsenal board and Wenger continue to see their achievements as acceptable, seems as long as the business side of the club is turning a profit, that comes ahead of everything else. Sorry to see the usual suspects progressing, Bayern or Real for the ECL again I imagine, tournament needs some fresh blood.
Keen to see if Leicester's rejuvenation can continue next week.
 

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Really? Lowendowski would break our pay structure alone.

Perhaps that is part of the problem with Arsenal then? You've got over £200 million in cash in the bank (all generated without the need for the Russian or Middle Eastern oil money that you decry) and the club/manager/board refuse to spend it to make the team better. The Bayern team cost less than Arsenal's but it looks like Bayern pay their players more. Surely Arsenal could follow this model and still be profitable if they have managed to rack up that much in cash reserves?
 

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Perhaps that is part of the problem with Arsenal then? You've got over £200 million in cash in the bank (all generated without the need for the Russian or Middle Eastern oil money that you decry) and the club/manager/board refuse to spend it to make the team better. The Bayern team cost less than Arsenal's but it looks like Bayern pay their players more. Surely Arsenal could follow this model and still be profitable if they have managed to rack up that much in cash reserves?

But their wage bill is £192m with improved contracts being waved about which will increase that substantially, that's not a shabby figure by any standards.

High wages are nothing when players have been bought on the cheap or cost anything at all, especially then if you do actually sell that player for much more because of the success they've had.

£200k a week for someone on a free is nothing, it's £10.4m a year, get 2 or 3 great years out of them, sell them for anything but at worse that player has cost you £20.8m, that's nothing in today's market.
 

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If Arsenal want more than last 16 in the CL and top 4 every year, they need to pay for the best players and it's time the board wake up to this fact. You need players of Lewandowski's level to compete. Anything else is blinkered and you could see by the reactions of some of the fans, they are getting more and more disillusioned. Granted they had just got stuffed but there murmurings are there in the PL games now as well (and more so on the tubes to and from games and in the pubs before and after according to several Arsenal season ticket holders I know)
 

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Players of his ilk are worth breaking your structure for.

And you think we could get him? No chance. If he came to England (assuming he wanted to) then Chelsea or City would secure his services.

The pay structure is there for a reason, break it and costs quickly spiral out of control. Unless you are Chelsea who pay the best player fees, best agent fees, wages, etc and not have to worry about losses.

But that's not the way I want our club to go. I couldn't celebrate honours that we purchased with external money, it wouldn't feel real.
 

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And you think we could get him? No chance. If he came to England (assuming he wanted to) then Chelsea or City would secure his services.

The pay structure is there for a reason, break it and costs quickly spiral out of control. Unless you are Chelsea who pay the best player fees, best agent fees, wages, etc and not have to worry about losses.

But that's not the way I want our club to go. I couldn't celebrate honours that we purchased with external money, it wouldn't feel real.

Sorry, but in that case be prepared for many years of what if's and wondering why you can't compete on any front. Money talks. It's a fact of life in football
 
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And you think we could get him? No chance. If he came to England (assuming he wanted to) then Chelsea or City would secure his services.
How can you be sure Chelsea or city would want him?

The pay structure is there for a reason, break it and costs quickly spiral out of control.
If it's managed properly it won't spiral out of control. I'm not suggesting paying iwobi and the likes £200k a week. Just the top players, and if the others aren't happy then it's pro them to pull their fingers out and improve.
Unless you are Chelsea who pay the best player fees, best agent fees, wages, etc and not have to worry about losses.

But that's not the way I want our club to go. I couldn't celebrate honours that we purchased with external money, it wouldn't feel real.
but you'll celebrate honours where players have cheated in games to win silverware?

You must be on a wind up.
 
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