And, we’re off.......2018/2019

[Deleted member 15344]

He wasn’t calling Klopp a failure. He was suggesting that Mourinho was considered a failure despite winning and Yet Klopps reign call success without winning anything. He was comparing clubs aspirations .

Then I’ll adjust that - Klopp needs to win to be called an “overriding success” - right now he is just moving the club forward each season - I don’t think I see many suggesting anything about “overriding success “ - he has been superb for us and his success is in building a very talented squad that could go and win trophies.

As for Mourinho - he didnt reach the level the club , fans wanted despite spending a lot of money - yep he won trophies - cups but I don’t expect that’s anywhere near enough unless the team is also challenging for the title and battling it out with the top teams - I expect if he the team was in the top 4 he wouldn’t have been sacked

 

[clubchamp98]

Thank god we have someone on here who knows everything.

Were just chatting because we have nothing better to do, well me anyway.

 

[Beezerk]

When did Snoop Dogg sign for Leicester? 😂

 

[Tashyboy]

What's the strongest word I can use to describe Sterlings pathetic attempt at a penalty without getting an infraction.

 

[Beezerk]

What's the strongest word I can use to describe Sterlings pathetic attempt at a penalty without getting an infraction.

Blasted!

 

[Papas1982]

I know it is not nice losing your top players .
But if you look at the players you have sold , don’t you even think to yourself why can’t we keep them?
I know money talks but was not trying to be arrogant i apologise if that’s how it came across
it’s a genuine question .
Is it just about money.
Or a mindset thing that they need to move for better football.

I didn’t you mean you personally in regards to arrogance, more a frustration at supporters of bigger clubs that have been spoilt lol.

I haven’t once said the players leave us for money. They generally leave us for success, which we can’t realistically offer. 30odd years of supporting saints and the only decent player we haven’t sold is Le Tiss.
Of the players we’ve sold since our prem return only two left simply for cash, Pelle for Messi level wages and Fonte, who has vanished.

To be clear, I don’t blame any player for wanting to further their career. I just object to the notion that as a club we have any real control over it. That being said, in the last few years our boards decisions have changed somewhat. We lack proper investment, we seem to abandoned our philosophies.

 

[Tashyboy]

Blasted!

You have spelled it wrong.

 

[PJ87]

Thank god we have someone on here who knows everything.

His predictions are usually wayyyy wide of the mark 😂

 

[Liverbirdie]

All fans do that though don’t they?

Other than that though I’d say you have it pretty much spot on

I mean, Shock horror rival fans revel in rivals misfortune. Of fans could only mock clubs less successful than theirs then there would be a lot of fans on here who’d need to keep quiet.

Not necessarily, and lets take Liverpool and Man U as prime examples.

In the mid to late 80's there was a sea change on the Kop. From us also singing about Man U in games we werent playing them, some started shouting "were not playing them". This soon got to the point over a few years whereby we didnt sing many specific anti-Man U songs in games against other opponents. We did sing core songs that mentioned man U on the odd line, but not specifically an anti-Man U song. Its something we became proud of.

However, as the Man U juggernaut then started, and one of things we found most funny of all is them singing anti_liverpool songs throughout matches that Man U were playing someone else. Even funnier would be them playing in CL semi-finals and belting out anti_Liverpool songs. They still do it to this day.

We can be obsessed with them at times, but they are fully obsessed with us, even in our fallow years.

 

[Papas1982]

Not necessarily, and lets take Liverpool and Man U as prime examples.

In the mid to late 80's there was a sea change on the Kop. From us also singing about Man U in games we werent playing them, some started shouting "were not playing them". This soon got to the point over a few years whereby we didnt sing many specific anti-Man U songs in games against other opponents. We did sing core songs that mentioned man U on the odd line, but not specifically an anti-Man U song. Its something we became proud of.

However, as the Man U juggernaut then started, and one of things we found most funny of all is them singing anti_liverpool songs throughout matches that Man U were playing someone else. Even funnier would be them playing in CL semi-finals and belting out anti_Liverpool songs. They still do it to this day.

We can be obsessed with them at times, but they are fully obsessed with us, even in our fallow years.

I’ve heard it said before about you guys nit singing about em when in your pomp. I think like you said it added pride, probably helped that at the time yous were the successful club so you could add that to the fire, making them feeling even less significant.

We’ve sung anti Pompey songs my entire life, but until we got relegated I had no idea fans from clubs such as reading, Plymouth, Brighton and Bournemouth had such a dislike for us. I’ve only realistically been to maybe a dozen games as a neutral when on a boys weekend, but honestly think they all sung about rivals during the games.
What I will say is it’s usually when the game is boring and the crowd is flat, so it’s used to try and improve the atmosphere, something you wouldn’t expect to be needed during a cl semi.

Of course there will be exceptions to the rule and maybe you guys are one of em, but I still think the vast majority of cubs will have standard songs about rivals that are sung most weeks.

 

[Liverbirdie]

What's the strongest word I can use to describe Sterlings pathetic attempt at a penalty without getting an infraction.

Call him a scouse something or other Tash......

 

[Liverbirdie]

I’ve heard it said before about you guys nit singing about em when in your pomp. I think like you said it added pride, probably helped that at the time yous were the successful club so you could add that to the fire, making them feeling even less significant.

We’ve sung anti Pompey songs my entire life, but until we got relegated I had no idea fans from clubs such as reading, Plymouth, Brighton and Bournemouth had such a dislike for us. I’ve only realistically been to maybe a dozen games as a neutral when on a boys weekend, but honestly think they all sung about rivals during the games.
What I will say is it’s usually when the game is boring and the crowd is flat, so it’s used to try and improve the atmosphere, something you wouldn’t expect to be needed during a cl semi.

Of course there will be exceptions to the rule and maybe you guys are one of em, but I still think the vast majority of cubs will have standard songs about rivals that are sung most weeks.

No mate, you misunderstand the timing.

Our last league win was 1990, but we'd stopped singing about them about 3-5 years before that. one other thing we pride ourselves on is not singing many generic songs that all clubs sing. We either start them and get copied, or sing our own ones - google "Scouser Tommy" for a start. The same with banners - no Union jacks and St Georgs flags with club name on for us.

TBF to Man U, they are probably the only other prem club who also have a quality control when it comes to songs (overall), although that went a bit south on Sunday with quite a few generic ones as well as 20 songs about us....again. They are one of the most vocal away crods though.

Cant believe some getting their knickers in a twist over a few harmless memes. Their fanbase always give this "biggest in the world" malarkey, well dont be surprised when rivals as well as others revel in a crisis. It happened with us, Chelsea's temporary fall from grace. Arsene/Arsenal. If/when city get arrogant or have a decade or more of success, same will happen with them.

The thing is now, you have had an aligning of the stars of the most arrogant manager alongside one of the most arrogant fanbases - human nature and the English mentality for bringing people down is only going to go one way.

 

[Papas1982]

No mate, you misunderstand the timing.

Our last league win was 1990, but we'd stopped singing about them about 3-5 years before that. one other thing we pride ourselves on is not singing many generic songs that all clubs sing. We either start them and get copied, or sing our own ones - google "Scouser Tommy" for a start. The same with banners - no Union jacks and St Georgs flags with club name on for us.

TBF to Man U, they are probably the only other prem club who also have a quality control when it comes to songs (overall), although that went a bit south on Sunday with quite a few generic ones as well as 20 songs about us....again. They are one of the most vocal away crods though.

Cant believe some getting their knickers in a twist over a few harmless memes. Their fanbase always give this "biggest in the world" malarkey, well dont be surprised when rivals as well as others revel in a crisis. It happened with us, Chelsea's temporary fall from grace. Arsene/Arsenal. If/when city get arrogant or have a decade or more of success, same will happen with them.

The thing is now, you have had an aligning of the stars of the most arrogant manager alongside one of the most arrogant fanbases - human nature and the English mentality for bringing people down is only going to go one way.

I think I got the timing mate. You stopped singing whilst you were the top dogs. So your fans could say, “we’re so much better, we don’t even consider you on match day”. Not that I knock that.

The bit in bold, you’ll know better than me. Did you have them Pre thatcher? Basically, was it a movement to be less cliche or more around the same time you decided you were scouse not English? 😉

I’m one of the few who actually rates (rated Mourinho), or at least liked him a bit. I think if he takes a year or so off he has the ability to change. He had a style which for a decade was guaranteed to succeed but now footy has changed. A break could see him develop new tactics.

I think the problem I’ve had with Utd fans, living first in Southampton and now in Kent is, like you say the arrogance. So many fans who’s grandad lived in Manchester mocking little old saints when they’ve been no further north than the m25.

 

[Slime]

Regarding all this urine extraction by L'pool supporters;
Fill your boots ...................... it's your turn.
A large part of the deal of being above your fiercest rivals is bragging rights.
L'pool have those rights and should exercise them as they feel fit, that's their prerogative.
As a Utd fan, I just have to suck it up and wait until the tables are turned, which they inevitably will be.
So long as it doesn't get personal or offensive, (and I'm no snowflake, by the way), bring it on.
Enjoy it while you can,it won't last for much longer.

 

[Pin-seeker]

Not really the funny videos that people are getting their “knickers in a twist over”.

It’s more the Whinging when the boot is on the other foot.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

https://www.skysports.com/football/...ally-announced-manchester-united-interim-boss

So the social media chat yesterday is looking to have a lot of truth behind it - interesting choice and also in some ways surprising that he is reportedly leaving a full time role to be a caretaker - I suspect the job at Molde will still be leave at the end of the season for him. I don’t think it’s an appointment to get them into top 4

 

[Tashyboy]

Call him a scouse something or other Tash......

😳😁😂

 

[Tashyboy]

Regarding all this urine extraction by L'pool supporters;
Fill your boots ...................... it's your turn.
A large part of the deal of being above your fiercest rivals is bragging rights.
CITY have those rights and should exercise them as they feel fit, that's their prerogative.
As a Utd fan, I just have to suck it up and wait until the tables are turned, which they inevitably will be.
So long as it doesn't get personal or offensive, (and I'm no snowflake, by the way), bring it on.
Enjoy it while you can,it won't last for much longer.

Sorted slime 😁👍

 

[Orikoru]

https://www.skysports.com/football/...ally-announced-manchester-united-interim-boss

So the social media chat yesterday is looking to have a lot of truth behind it - interesting choice and also in some ways surprising that he is reportedly leaving a full time role to be a caretaker - I suspect the job at Molde will still be leave at the end of the season for him. I don’t think it’s an appointment to get them into top 4

I imagine they have given up on the top four for this season, if they haven't they want their heads checking.

 

[TheDiablo]

United fans “gave” it out for decades even before they started winning the title - even through the 80’s the Man Utd’s were very vocal in regards the rivalry between the two clubs

Ignoring all the cheap jibes in regards laughing stocks , armchairs fans and match going fans etc etc ( not sure why some use it as a point scoring exercise ) - Desperate to give it out ? Give what out ? A bit of Mickey takey over Mourinho getting the sack ? It’s all over the Internet from fans from all over the country - should all fans keep quiet about it ? It’s nothing more than humour - not sure what’s premature about it all ?


Overall it’s a post that will have certain giving you virtual high 5’s but it’s all a bit strange reaction based on a couple of amusing videos about a manager being fired. Or maybe it’s a case of people posting the poster as opposed to what’s being posted.

Hi Phil, calm down mate not everything is aimed at you . I know this isnt applicable to all, but this forum makes up a very small part of my life and therefore my opinions, which in footballs case have been formed over 25 years. I just happened to post them here on this occasion - I'm too young for Facebook and dont like the anonymous nature of twitter.

I grew up in an area full of Chelsea fans (local), United fans (glory) and Liverpool fans (sons of glory) with a smattering of Arsenal and Spurs plus the odd random club here and there. I have no connection to the north-west so wouldnt be able to comment on how it was for Liverpool fans in that region during the United domination era pre-social media, but around here (and therefore likely many 'neutral' areas) United fans were often unbearable in their cries of glory, but not at to the detriment of other clubs in my experience.

I may be displaying recency bias, or it might be that social media gives voice to the loudest irrespective of what they're shouting, but I personally have never known a fanbase to get like Liverpool's have over the past 18 months, which I personally find amusing and irritating in equal measure. As I said, especially as the team is as yet unsuccessful in pursuit of honours or in comparison to previous Liverpool sides. I believe this comes from a huge majority of the younger fanbase feeling entitled to success because they know of the great history of the club yet never have experienced it, and now 'shooting their load early' so to speak. Be patient, you're a very good side with a very good manager and honours will surely follow - and at that point revel in your success rather than the failure of others - that trait is one that sets people apart imo.

On the flip side, I work with a couple of migrated Scousers, plus have some mates from uni who hold season tickets and I know how embarrassed they get about the internet/armchair fanbase, especially in times like these. I've no doubt this sentiment also applies to the United fanbase btw. As Liverbirdie said, matchgoing Liverpool fans take pride in 'not caring' about United/Everton, yet that couldnt be further from the truth online. That's why I mentioned the distinction, nothing to do with point scoring.

But as you took it on yourself to randomly respond as if were addressed to you a number of pages later I'll dignify you with the same courtesy on a couple of points.

The 'laughing stock' comment was the wrong term and pretty needless - but for a generation Liverpool were on the wrong end of the rivalry which is why I think some are becoming a bit desperate and premature.

Maybe my humour will change as I approach 50, but I personally find it all a bit 21st century version of the playground which I've moved on from - its all a bit childish. I'm surprised if many adults actually find it 'funny' - no doubt some see it as a quick point scoring exercise which is fine, but they're not particularly funny in any way.

Seeking 'virtual high 5s'?' Posting based on poster rather than posted? I won't post up a definition of irony but if you need one let me know