And, we’re off.......2018/2019

[Deleted member 15344]

No it dosnt anyone who’s not happy I would just sell.
But make sure you get top dollar that’s what everyone else will do.

It does hold true - pretty much every club these days is a feeder club for Barce or Madrid especially if you have South American’s - we have lost plenty of players to those two clubs over the years and it won’t stop - we aren’t at the top of the tree and I suspect no team in the UK is - the two Spanish clubs are so there will always be the threat that one of them come calling and if the player wants to go then they go - it’s what we did to get at VVD and co from Southampton

 

[HomerJSimpson]

It does hold true - pretty much every club these days is a feeder club for Barce or Madrid especially if you have South American’s - we have lost plenty of players to those two clubs over the years and it won’t stop - we aren’t at the top of the tree and I suspect no team in the UK is - the two Spanish clubs are so there will always be the threat that one of them come calling and if the player wants to go then they go - it’s what we did to get at VVD and co from Southampton

It's not clubs that are feeder clubs to Barca or Madrid (although I don't think that's necessarily the case anyway) it's the players and their agents that dictate moves and fees and thats not going to change.

 

[Papas1982]

Excuse my ignorance, but do pro teams not have defensive coaches who do that roll?
I think Eddie Howe is an excellent shout come to think of it. Be surprised if he gets it though, Man Utd have to go big with managers from now on I think.

Well yes, I’m sure all teams have coaches for all parts of the team, but the manager has the final say and I’d say that he’s limited in his style. It’s all pretty footy accepting loses, which at bmouth or a Saints would be fine with the fans.

If he was given a few years to get the players in to his style like say Klopp was then it may work, But I still think respectively Man Utd would want quicker results. For that I think he would have them playing Newcastle style, but the defensive players they have are put up to prem league standard imo and that would seriously hamper his tactics.

 

[Papas1982]

If your players are not happy they will move .
Same for Liverpool!
But sitting on the bench with the wages we pay is not that hard to stomach.
Sitting on your bench I assume is not so well paid.

Realistically we can’t pay the wedge you do. That’s not a lack of ambition. It’s being realistic. The players that are willing to sit on your bench aren’t the ones you’d be worried about losing though are they. In the last few years whenever you’ve had a star you’ve lost him and then cried foul of Barca’s style.

Our players weren’t unhappy when with us until you declared (not always legally) your interest. Then it’s understandable they’d leave. Doesn’t mean we can’t be frustrated by it. But saying we should do more is imo arrogance and a lack of understanding how 80% of premier league clubs operate.

 

[Pin-seeker]

It does hold true - pretty much every club these days is a feeder club for Barce or Madrid especially if you have South American’s - we have lost plenty of players to those two clubs over the years and it won’t stop - we aren’t at the top of the tree and I suspect no team in the UK is - the two Spanish clubs are so there will always be the threat that one of them come calling and if the player wants to go then they go - it’s what we did to get at VVD and co from Southampton

We did try to tell you this when they were after Suarez & Coutinho 🤷‍♂️

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

If your players are not happy they will move .
Same for Liverpool!
But sitting on the bench with the wages we pay is not that hard to stomach.
Sitting on your bench I assume is not so well paid.

And how much time do you think VVD, Lallana, Lovren, Mane etc spent sitting on the bench?
Like I said, if Utd poached Klopp I would find it hilarious.

 

[clubchamp98]

Realistically we can’t pay the wedge you do. That’s not a lack of ambition. It’s being realistic. The players that are willing to sit on your bench aren’t the ones you’d be worried about losing though are they. In the last few years whenever you’ve had a star you’ve lost him and then cried foul of Barca’s style.

Our players weren’t unhappy when with us until you declared (not always legally) your interest. Then it’s understandable they’d leave. Doesn’t mean we can’t be frustrated by it. But saying we should do more is imo arrogance and a lack of understanding how 80% of premier league clubs operate.

Funny that I said the same thing to a Barcelona fan when they took some of our players.
It’s not arrogance it’s reality, we did everything to keep Coutino but he still wanted to go.
So we made sure Barca paid what we wanted.
But that’s rare in Liverpool it seems a regular occurrence in your club so you are developing players who then want to move, you need to rethink why they want to leave.

So what do you do with all that money.?

 

[clubchamp98]

And how much time do you think VVD, Lallana, Lovren, Mane etc spent sitting on the bench?
Like I said, if Utd poached Klopp I would find it hilarious.

Can’t see that ,can you?
But if he wanted to go then I would let him. Nobody is bigger than the club as Maureen has just found out.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Can’t see that ,can you?

No I doubt it will happen but would still be hilarious if it did.

 

[pokerjoke]

Can’t see that ,can you?
But if he wanted to go then I would let him. Nobody is bigger than the club as Maureen has just found out.

More chance of me walking on the moon.
Utd fans wouldn’t allow it

 

[Orikoru]

This could be incorrect, but I heard Zidane doesn't speak English. That would count against him surely? They should probably get Deschamps in, Pogba seems to do alright for him! Or didn't he play well under Conte at Juve? Might have my dates wrong. He's available though isn't he?

Possible wishful thinking on my part, but I can't see Poch leaving us mid-season, partly because he wouldn't want to, partly because Levy just wouldn't allow it. So if Utd want him it means putting a caretaker in and trying to thrash it out in the summer. If they do go with a caretaker/interim now then I wouldn't rule out Poch leaving us in summer. Which makes me sad of course. Levy will make it as difficult as possible though of course.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

This could be incorrect, but I heard Zidane doesn't speak English. That would count against him surely? They should probably get Deschamps in, Pogba seems to do alright for him! Or didn't he play well under Conte at Juve? Might have my dates wrong. He's available though isn't he?

Possible wishful thinking on my part, but I can't see Poch leaving us mid-season, partly because he wouldn't want to, partly because Levy just wouldn't allow it. So if Utd want him it means putting a caretaker in and trying to thrash it out in the summer. If they do go with a caretaker/interim now then I wouldn't rule out Poch leaving us in summer. Which makes me sad of course. Levy will make it as difficult as possible though of course.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46607200

This isn't clear if Poch is ruling himself out or not. As you pinched him from Saints I would obviously offer you my deepest sympathies if Utd poached him from you

 

[Papas1982]

Funny that I said the same thing to a Barcelona fan when they took some of our players.
It’s not arrogance it’s reality, we did everything to keep Coutino but he still wanted to go.
So we made sure Barca paid what we wanted.
But that’s rare in Liverpool it seems a regular occurrence in your club so you are developing players who then want to move, you need to rethink why they want to leave.

So what do you do with all that money.?

We have wasted it, as well as having owners take it out. I can’t deny that. But all clubs have been guilty of wasting cash, just like you guys wasted a billion in the 90’s. It happens.

But the whole we need to rethink thing is exactly the arrogance I was referring too. Clubs of our stature can’t hold onto players because they’d prefer to go to bigger clubs. It’s just that there are lots of clubs bigger than ours, and only a few bigger than yours. So of course we lose players more often.

 

[clubchamp98]

We have wasted it, as well as having owners take it out. I can’t deny that. But all clubs have been guilty of wasting cash, just like you guys wasted a billion in the 90’s. It happens.

But the whole we need to rethink thing is exactly the arrogance I was referring too. Clubs of our stature can’t hold onto players because they’d prefer to go to bigger clubs. It’s just that there are lots of clubs bigger than ours, and only a few bigger than yours. So of course we lose players more often.

That’s life
Do you take players from other “smaller” clubs there’s lots smaller than you
There’s always someone bigger.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The main difference for me is that United fans gave it out having won stuff, Chelsea fans the same. Clubs of less successful sides don't tend to be so chirpy, and even with rivalries tend to show a bit more respect.

United fans “gave” it out for decades even before they started winning the title - even through the 80’s the Man Utd’s were very vocal in regards the rivalry between the two clubs

Some Liverpool fans seem a bit desperate to be giving it out, but all a bit premature for me. They've got a fantastic side, so revel in that rather than get dragged into the gutter with name calling and crappy memes. I can understand it though, having been the laughing stock of the rivalry for many a year, but I'd personally wait to win something first. I think most of the match going and local Liverpool fans tend to be a bit more on the same page on this than the Internet/armchair mob who need instant gratification and likes.

Ignoring all the cheap jibes in regards laughing stocks , armchairs fans and match going fans etc etc ( not sure why some use it as a point scoring exercise ) - Desperate to give it out ? Give what out ? A bit of Mickey takey over Mourinho getting the sack ? It’s all over the Internet from fans from all over the country - should all fans keep quiet about it ? It’s nothing more than humour - not sure what’s premature about it all ?

Ultimately United won far more under Mourinho than Liverpool under Klopp to date. Ones a overriding success and one's an unmitigated failure which says a lot about the mentality of the respective fanbases.

Overall it’s a post that will have certain giving you virtual high 5’s but it’s all a bit strange reaction based on a couple of amusing videos about a manager being fired. Or maybe it’s a case of people posting the poster as opposed to what’s being posted.

 

[Papas1982]

That’s life
Do you take players from other “smaller” clubs there’s lots smaller than you
There’s always someone bigger.

I totally agree with that. I’m simply contesting your assertion that we should do something about it. When quite simply we can’t.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46607200

This isn't clear if Poch is ruling himself out or not. As you pinched him from Saints I would obviously offer you my deepest sympathies if Utd poached him from you

Certainly going to keep his options open - social media has Solskear coming in until the end of the season then they go looking and Pochettino will be top of the list with possibly a few players following him.

 

[Papas1982]

United fans “gave” it out for decades even before they started winning the title - even through the 80’s the Man Utd’s were very vocal in regards the rivalry between the two clubs

Ignoring all the cheap jibes in regards laughing stocks , armchairs fans and match going fans etc etc ( not sure why some use it as a point scoring exercise ) - Desperate to give it out ? Give what out ? A bit of Mickey takey over Mourinho getting the sack ? It’s all over the Internet from fans from all over the country - should all fans keep quiet about it ? It’s nothing more than humour - not sure what’s premature about it all ?



Failure ? Not sure why Klopp is a failure and if Mourinho was such an overriding success how come he was fired ?

Overall it’s a post that will have certain giving you virtual high 5’s but it’s all a bit strange reaction based on a couple of amusing videos about a manager being fired. Or maybe it’s a case of people posting the poster as opposed to what’s being posted.

He wasn’t calling Klopp a failure. He was suggesting that Mourinho was considered a failure despite winning and Yet Klopps reign call success without winning anything. He was comparing clubs aspirations .

 

[clubchamp98]

I totally agree with that. I’m simply contesting your assertion that we should do something about it. When quite simply we can’t.

I know it is not nice losing your top players .
But if you look at the players you have sold , don’t you even think to yourself why can’t we keep them?
I know money talks but was not trying to be arrogant i apologise if that’s how it came across
it’s a genuine question .
Is it just about money.
Or a mindset thing that they need to move for better football.

 

[pokerjoke]

Certainly going to keep his options open - social media has Solskear coming in until the end of the season then they go looking and Pochettino will be top of the list with possibly a few players following him.

Thank god we have someone on here who knows everything.