Amateur code

[Doon frae Troon]

If the Olympic Badminton players are being accused of cheating by 'not doing of their best'. how would that transfer to amateur golf.

Would you be penalised for:-

3 wood off the tee
Laying up
Playing a lag up drive in match play
No Returns
Throwing a hissy fit.
Playing backwards out of a hazzard.
Not looking for a lost ball when playing a provisional.

 

[FairwayDodger]

Most of those examples are still trying your best.

For example, I always hit a five wood off the tee at our ninth hole because I know that leaves me a flat lie perfect distance for a wedge to the middle of the green. I could try to drive the green but 90% of the time will end up in worse shape than laying up.

I guess the equivalent in golf to what the badminton ladies did would be deliberately duffing shots or hitting it into trees etc.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

FD
I was not really being serious!!

Re Badminton it was the stoopid rules that were to blame and not the players who IMO were 'doing of their best' as they saw an opportunity to progress in the event.
It should have been a straight KO based on seeding of world rankings. The organisers tried to sex it up a bit and made fools of themselves

 

[FairwayDodger]

Ach, I know that but thought you maybe hadn't seen how blatant the badminton was.

Agree that the format left things open to abuse like this but it's still pretty unacceptable IMO.

 

[daymond]

Playing to deliberately loose in any sport to gain an advantage for yourself or team is disgraceful and should be punished with instant disqualification. It cheats others who play to win and it cheats the spectators who have paid good money to see 'the best'.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Playing backwards out of a hazzard.

Brilliant Doon, that's got to be one the funniest things I've ever read on a golf forum :rofl:

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Hi D4S How ya doing,

I know that they don't have revetted bunkers at Broadstone but up here sometimes it is the only way!

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Good thanks Doon, and you?

Plenty of links golf coming up for me, Saunton this weekend with JAS then Eden tournament at Stan Drews the following week. Revetted bunkers?? Piece of cake

 

[USER1999]

Playing to deliberately loose in any sport to gain an advantage for yourself or team is disgraceful and should be punished with instant disqualification. It cheats others who play to win and it cheats the spectators who have paid good money to see 'the best'.

It also cheats any one who put a bet on the result, and also the bookies who gave out the odds.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

D4S
Jas and I tried to fix up a game during the Seniors Open but I was fairly busy.
We later found out that we had followed Tom Watson for about 7 holes on the Saturday and were not aware of each other. There was only about 40 watchiing him.

 

[Pro Zach]

Playing to deliberately loose in any sport to gain an advantage for yourself or team is disgraceful and should be punished with instant disqualification. It cheats others who play to win and it cheats the spectators who have paid good money to see 'the best'.

It also cheats any one who put a bet on the result, and also the bookies who gave out the odds.

After taking into account what is possibly best for their opponents, spectators, bookies and gamblers, are they then allowed to use tactics to win a medal?

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Good to see the IOC did something positive for a change and kicked them out. Usually have upteen meetings before deciding to do nothing and brush it under the carpet

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Usually have upteen meetings before deciding to do nothing and brush it under the carpet[/QUOTE]

Not unlike yer average golf club then Homer

 

[the_scrambler]

If the Olympic Badminton players are being accused of cheating by 'not doing of their best'. how would that transfer to amateur golf.

Would you be penalised for:-

3 wood off the tee
Laying up
Playing a lag up drive in match play
No Returns
Throwing a hissy fit.
Playing backwards out of a hazzard.
Not looking for a lost ball when playing a provisional.

Point of Order Doon!

Have to take issue with your final 'cop out'.

1. If a player announces that he is taking a provisional ball on the tee which ends up bang slap down the middle of the fairway then discovers that perhaps finding the original ball is going to leave him in a potentially worse situation and gives up looking for it within the five minutes then his opponent is quite entitled to continue to look for that ball for the remainder of the allocated time. The only way for the player to avoid this situation would have been for him not to have declared the second t-ball a provisional.

Such a situation happened at the Curtis Cup at Nairn. The american put a provisional into play at a Par 3 which ended up on the green whereupon she decided to play that one before the five minutes looking for the original were up. Her british opponent apparently didn't know that she was entitled to continue to look for the original ball for the full five minutes. As I understand it, some of the british supporters knew this and couldn't understand why the ref hadn't advised her of her options. Apparently, refs can only give advice if asked for it ... not that those spectators understood that as she could feel their eyes boring accusingly into the back of her head!(lol)

 

[AxelBenito]

If I am losing a match I will purposely slice the ball into deep rough and make my playing partners look for 5 minutes to ruin their rhythm, then go back to tee and sometimes repeat.

 

[Smiffy]

It also cheats any one who put a bet on the result, and also the bookies who gave out the odds.

But where do you draw the line???
How about in other qualifiers when participants deliberately do "just enough" to qualify for the finals, saving themselves for the big event?

 

[jp5]

Exactly, swimmers regularly don't try their hardest in the heats to save energy for the final. But when the badminton players do it, it's cheating? The fault lies with the organisers who have structured a competition such that losing can give you an advantage to win overall - ridiculous. The players are just being made scapegoats of to deflect attention from the inept governing body.

 

[SatchFan]

Exactly, swimmers regularly don't try their hardest in the heats to save energy for the final. But when the badminton players do it, it's cheating? The fault lies with the organisers who have structured a competition such that losing can give you an advantage to win overall - ridiculous. The players are just being made scapegoats of to deflect attention from the inept governing body.

Same can be said about the sprinters who coast over the line in the athletics. The point about the badminton players was that they were deliberately trying to lose in order to avoid more difficult opposition before the final.

 

[6inchcup]

i notice seb coe was only interested in the cost of the tickets,this sort of thing happens in most sports only it is less noticeable,the football team playing for a draw against a weaker team or fielding a very weak side if position is already guaranteed there are plenty of situations in all sports.

 

[Fader]

So imagine a competition at your club where its matchplay in a league format and top 2 qualify to quarter finals, you know going into the last group game a win puts you up against the club champ in the knockout stage or a loss puts you against a guy you know you can beat. What do you do...


I think i'd play to win but wouldn't go all out, if I won that'd be nice but if I lost i'd have a better chance in the next round. Does that mean i'm not trying

Not sure but an interesting topic, especially as next year my club are bringing in a champions match play for all this years comp winners being drawn in seeded groups dependant on what they win this year.