Alterations to WHS?

[Alan Clifford]

When I play in England in May, if I want any or all my cards to count, I have to bring them back to OZ, what happens if I have a very good score 40+ points on the first day ? my handicap does not change until to I return to OZ and have the card entered ?

Am sure my mates over there will not be happy with me playing on an incorrect handicap.....or is it correct ?

Can you not email your scores to the bloke at your club who does the cards? That's what I do with my South African to England cards. It's a bit of a pain for the guy but I did give him a bottle of gin at Christmas. He gets a bit worried when ratings are already in the system but they are incorrect.

 

[Alan Clifford]

Could they not fax you a new one?

Fax

 

[clubchamp98]

Must have been very discouraging for many players!

Wasn’t the annual review brought in for this .?

Think it was eight point ones in a row set off an alarm in the h/c secs office as well.

 

[Swango1980]

Wasn’t the annual review brought in for this .?

Think it was eight point ones in a row set off an alarm in the h/c secs office as well.

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[Genu9]

World

But there are national golf bureacracies that move at a glacial pace so I'm actually surprised at how close we actually are to "world".

Spot on. It's a job protection, or, organisation protection scheme. Every 'National' association is trying to not let go of their control. That is why in 2020 the GB&I area didn't introduce the 'full' WHS system and now 3 & a bit years later we are.

 

[2blue]

Spot on. It's a job protection, or, organisation protection scheme. Every 'National' association is trying to not let go of their control. That is why in 2020 the GB&I area didn't introduce the 'full' WHS system and now 3 & a bit years later we are.

Does this exist??

 

[clubchamp98]

Does this exist??

Imo no!
going to be difficult if the national associations don’t want it!

 

[Genu9]

Does this exist??

The system does, it's the 'organisations' that are the problem. Perceived loss of control, so they introduce their variations, so it can never be 'World'.

 

[Voyager EMH]

The system does, it's the 'organisations' that are the problem. Perceived loss of control, so they introduce their variations, so it can never be 'World'.

Which is the "World" system for calculation of Score Differentials?
We use Adjusted Gross according to Course Handicap and Australia use Stableford Points according to 93% of Course Handicap (Daily Handicap). A noticeable difference.

 

[Genu9]

Which is the "World" system for calculation of Score Differentials?
We use Adjusted Gross according to Course Handicap and Australia use Stableford Points according to 93% of Course Handicap (Daily Handicap). A noticeable difference.

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Ask the 'organisations' that decided to make it different........

 

[wjemather]

Ask the 'organisations' that decided to make it different........

Golf is not played the same around the world. For example, GB&I is very competition oriented (mostly individual medals & Stablefords); Australia is almost entirely Stableford; the US is mostly casual; etc. An inflexible system would not account for these differences.

As we have seen/read/heard from many ordinary golfers, there would be fierce resistance if GB&I were to propose mandating all casual play scores were submitted for handicapping and we adopted MLS so that all match play and best-ball scores also counted. Similarly, in the US would collapse if only individual strokeplay competition scores were acceptable.

The only thing that really matters is that the resultant HI is portable, which it is.

 

[Genu9]

So just like the "World Series" in America, "World" means whichever country you happen to be in? So the full title should be World (whatever country you hapend to be in) Handicap System.

 

[Voyager EMH]

Hitting the ball from the tee and into the hole and adding up the shots taken.
Seems to me that golf is being played the same way around the world.
Unless I'm wrong, of course.
I could be simplifying things for my own amusement which is not helping anyone.

 

[wjemather]

So just like the "World Series" in America, "World" means whichever country you happen to be in? So the full title should be World (whatever country you hapend to be in) Handicap System.

No. It means your handicap is portable and you can compete equitably around the world because the basic system is the same.

 

[wjemather]

Hitting the ball from the tee and into the hole and adding up the shots taken.
Seems to me that golf is being played the same way around the world.
Unless I'm wrong, of course.
I could be simplifying things for my own amusement which is not helping anyone.

Competition vs. General Play
Medal vs. Stableford vs. Par/Bogey
Individual vs. team
Stroke play vs. match play

Definitely not all the same.

 

[Voyager EMH]

Competition vs. General Play
Medal vs. Stableford vs. Par/Bogey
Individual vs. team
Stroke play vs. match play

Definitely not all the same.

Why do any of those mean that 95% rather than 93% needs to be applied for individual strokeplay?
And why do any of those mean that score differentials need to be calculated in different ways?

I would say that these differences are not due to different ways of playing golf at all.
They are the result of different people making different decisions.
These different groups of people are in different countries.

But here I go again over-simplifying things for my own amusement.

 

[wjemather]

Why do any of those mean that 95% rather than 93% needs to be applied for individual strokeplay?
And why do any of those mean that score differentials need to calculated in different ways?

I would say that these differences are not due to different ways of playing golf at all.
They are the result of different people making different decisions.
These different groups of people are in different countries.

But here I go again over simplifying things for my own amusement.

This only happens in Australia, and is consistent with their previous system and tailored (through options) to how golf is played there (i.e. Stableford). The fundamentals of the system haven't been changed.

 

[Voyager EMH]

This only happens in Australia, and is consistent with their previous system and tailored (through options) to how golf is played there (i.e. Stableford). The fundamentals of the system haven't been changed.

Stableford is played here as well.
Do they play stableford differently in Australia? I think not.
Do they play medal strokeplay differently? I think not.
Yes, they had a system with similarities before this current system, but the differences between their calculations and ours is due to different decisions being made by different people and at different times and in different countries.
Hitting the ball around the course and counting the shots is the same in all countries.

 

[AussieKB]

I'm playing Stableford tomorrow to celebrate Invasion Day, and Stroke on Saturday for our Monthly Mug, every Club here has one a month, and I know you will be surprised but the Club Champs is a Stroke event.......horror, plus a lot of other Opens.

 

[D-S]

To go back to the initial thread topic which I believe was about the upcoming changes to WHS in GB&I in April.
Do we know why (has their been an explanation) of why we are going to go to the Australian method of accounting for ‘unscored‘ holes in 4BB which comprises of adding specific Stableford scores such as 1.5 shots dependent on the partners score?
There has just been the introduction of a new, fairer method of scaling up expected scores for unplayed holes so why not use that? Or, (I would dislike this) why didn’t they introduce MLS which is a defined key component of calculating unplayed or partially unplayed scores around a lot of the rest of the world?
Is there a stated rationale behind picking a sort of 3rd different method of assessing as score for an ‘uncompleted’ hole?