Aimpoint is slow - FACT

[Deleted Member 1156]

I really can't see what the problem is with players using a system that helps with getting the breaks on the green. It's available to all, there is a fee to learn the system just like there's a fee to learn Harmons teachings, Foleys, Cowans, Leadbetters, your own local Pros method.

By all means pay for a putting lesson to get the mechanics of the stroke right but c'mon, do you really need to pay for a lesson to see how a ball reacts to a slope?

 

[chrisd]

By all means pay for a putting lesson to get the mechanics of the stroke right but c'mon, do you really need to pay for a lesson to see how a ball reacts to a slope?

If the slope is uphill and you leave it short all the time it could be money well spent !!

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

If the slope is uphill and you leave it short all the time it could be money well spent !!

That was below the belt Chris.....you know I started it on the right line

 

[richart]

That was below the belt Chris.....you know I started it on the right line

Have you looked into Aimpoint for your chipping ? Most of them seem to hug the ground.

 

[Foxholer]

Of which the bit in bold suggests proof that it gives the player an advantage - using 'factual' information not otherwise available.

None of it! I wasn't presenting it as 'proof'!

As for the de-skilling issue; that's tosh! About as logical/sensible as claiming creating a repetitive swing is de-skilling the game!

 

[3565]

By all means pay for a putting lesson to get the mechanics of the stroke right but c'mon, do you really need to pay for a lesson to see how a ball reacts to a slope?

I know how a ball reacts on a slope. But stop letting your :ears: out as you know the principles of Aimpoint which is to give you the tools/parameters/calculations/mathematics, how ever you want to put it, to calculate 'how much' break to play on a putt. That's what you learn.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

None of it! I wasn't presenting it as 'proof'!

As for the de-skilling issue; that's tosh! About as logical/sensible as claiming creating a repetitive swing is de-skilling the game!

I don't agree - you are using an external aid to provide information that previously and for most comes about through experience and development of your green reading skill.

 

[chrisd]

I don't agree - you are using an external aid to provide information that previously and for most comes about through experience and development of your green reading skill.

So if you draw a chart of your greens with all the bumps and hollows, lines and slopes marked and then refer to it in future rounds doesn't that become an external aid?

 

[HomerJSimpson]

So if you draw a chart of your greens with all the bumps and hollows, lines and slopes marked and then refer to it in future rounds doesn't that become an external aid?

Good point. No different to glorifying the old fashioned yardage books we had to use before DMD's. If someone takes the time and effort to go and map each green on their own course then why wouldn't they use it. Of course, the advantage of the Aimpoint charts is they are universal and so can help much more on unfamiliar away courses

 

[Foxholer]

I don't agree - you are using an external aid to provide information that previously and for most comes about through experience and development of your green reading skill.

Assistance - Yes (why would you use it otherwise)

De-skilling - not on your nelly!

Ban Trolleys and Caddies to keep the physical element!

Luddite!

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Assistance - Yes (why would you use it otherwise)

De-skilling - not on your nelly!

Ban Trolleys and Caddies to keep the physical element!

Luddite!

Luddite - Indeed I am - but less so than I was. But I DO see a difference between a DMD giving distance info and aimpoint giving you the borrow aimpoint for any putt. How many times have you stood on a green on a course you haven't played before - faced with a massive borrow and wondered 'where the heck to I hit this?' What you do is use your experience and judgement to work it out - that's what you do. So if you don't see being GIVEN the aimpoint as deskilling and/or giving you an advantage then OK - we disagree.

And please let's not be realistically suggesting that we could all get out there and on every green roll balls from every spot on a green to every flag position and mark out aimpoints on our own chart. Even if you could do it for your own place you couldn't in any practical way do it for any other course you play.

Will Aimpoint method be slow? - doubt that on average it makes the time we spend on the green any longer as some folk spend an eternity fiddling about marking balls, aligning their ball prior to putting etc etc.

 

[chrisd]

And please let's not be realistically suggesting that we could all get out there and on every green roll balls from every spot on a green to every flag position and mark out aimpoints on our own chart.

I could probably map my own clubs greens sitting at home, they are fairly small and only a few have much movement. If an enterprising person had mapped greens and produced book like a yardage book for ever golf club would you have had them banned? I think there is someone who does just that for the European Tour.

 

[garyinderry]

as far as the challenge of golf goes-

two men meet at the top of a mountain. one trekked up taking days on end , the other flew up in a helicopter in minutes. do they both enjoy the same view?


:mmm:

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

I know how a ball reacts on a slope. But stop letting your :ears: out as you know the principles of Aimpoint which is to give you the tools/parameters/calculations/mathematics, how ever you want to put it, to calculate 'how much' break to play on a putt. That's what you learn.

I learned how to calculate the break by dropping half a dozen balls on the green and hitting putts in all different directions and with different breaks.

And the best thing is.......it's FREE!

 

[tsped83]

I am amazed that we are still debating this. Wow. At the end of the day, use it or not, but who actually cares??????

Ooh, a lorry has just gone past my office window, infinitely more exciting. And it's red! Amazing!

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Red lorry, yellow lorry.......try saying that when you come out the pub tonight

 

[3565]

I learned how to calculate the break by dropping half a dozen balls on the green and hitting putts in all different directions and with different breaks.

And the best thing is.......it's FREE!

no good doing that if, by your own admittance, you leave them short all the time........ So Aimpoint no good for you as you do need the ball to have enough momentum to pass the hole, which obviously you not got, but a quick putting lesson with your pro maybe more beneficial to see if you can venture past the hole......... It's not as scary the one back as you might think. Try it sometime :thup:

 

[Foxholer]

Luddite - Indeed I am - but less so than I was. But I DO see a difference between a DMD giving distance info and aimpoint giving you the borrow aimpoint for any putt. How many times have you stood on a green on a course you haven't played before - faced with a massive borrow and wondered 'where the heck to I hit this?' What you do is use your experience and judgement to work it out - that's what you do. So if you don't see being GIVEN the aimpoint as deskilling and/or giving you an advantage then OK - we disagree.

As Aimpoint teaches you how to read the greens, I see it as an additional skill rather than de-skilling the task.

It's pretty much the same as going on an on-the-job training course. Is that de-skilling the job or increasing your skill-set?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I am amazed that we are still debating this. Wow. At the end of the day, use it or not, but who actually cares??????

Ooh, a lorry has just gone past my office window, infinitely more exciting. And it's red! Amazing!

It matters to me as I think it reduces the need to learn a key skill required for putting.

Further is probably only acceptable as few do it - and were all to do it then time we spent putting would be unacceptable. Anything that is only acceptable when a few do it is not in my mind an acceptable part of the game,

 

[User20205]

It's official, aimpoint is dead !!! It's all about the rodpoint!!! All the pros are gonna sign up.:thup:

Matchplay, 17 putts, 8&7 victory:thup:

I'm available for lessons :rofl:


(I forgot the .....boom!!)