Crazyface
Tour Winner
Oooo me 'ed hurts, and I've only skim read the first page.
My comment was about you assuming that 40% of one and 60% of the other equals 50% of combined.
What calculations did you do in these sort of comps before the WHS (not a lot has changed in that respect).
For info, the CONGU recommended allowance for Greensomes was 60/40 under the old system, but since it wasn't mandatory many clubs chose to use 50/50 instead.I wasnt assuming that it equals 50% but I believe in our match this week it did (someone else did the sums). I rarely played greensomes under the old system. It's a fair bit more complicated to work out shots , if it wasn't they wouldn't have great big boards to help !
The difference in the old days was instead of big boards on the outside of club we had charts either on the back of cards or on notice boardsI wasnt assuming that it equals 50% but I believe in our match this week it did (someone else did the sums). I rarely played greensomes under the old system. It's a fair bit more complicated to work out shots , if it wasn't they wouldn't have great big boards to help !
The difference in the old days was instead of big boards on the outside of club we had charts either on the back of cards or on notice boards
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There is no reason why a similar chart couldn't be developed for WHS. The starting points for both would be CONGU Handicap and WHS Course Handicap. No real difference.The difference in the old days was instead of big boards on the outside of club we had charts either on the back of cards or on notice boards
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I think the wording of your post highlights this. Technically, you should replace "playing" handicap to "course" handicap. Then, all the different allowances are applied to get the Playing Handicap.You may have done at your club, I dont remember seeing one (or needing one)
I'm not sure how difficult it is to understand members moaning that the new system is more complex than before . Instead of your handicap you have a handicap index, slope rating and playing handicap as well as a change in most of the allowances for different forms of competition to sort out. It might be better , or fairer, under the new system but I hear people moaning about it a year on and they weren't moaning under the old system.
Well, the term 'Whingeing Pom' sprang immediately to mind - again!You may have done at your club, I dont remember seeing one (or needing one)
I'm not sure how difficult it is to understand members moaning that the new system is more complex than before . Instead of your handicap you have a handicap index, slope rating and playing handicap as well as a change in most of the allowances for different forms of competition to sort out. It might be better , or fairer, under the new system but I hear people moaning about it a year on and they weren't moaning under the old system.
Why Congu Handicap? That's been defunct for over a year! WHS Handicap Index is the 'base' stat now.There is no reason why a similar chart couldn't be developed for WHS. The starting points for both would be CONGU Handicap and WHS Course Handicap. No real difference.
I was referring to the picture of the chart posted as opposed to the chart I was proposing. The former is a CONGU chart so it is based on the CONGU handicap.Why Congu Handicap? That's been defunct for over a year! WHS Handicap Index is the 'base' stat now.
Those charts were everywhere until they started to disappear through the 1980s.You may have done at your club, I dont remember seeing one (or needing one)
I'm not sure how difficult it is to understand members moaning that the new system is more complex than before . Instead of your handicap you have a handicap index, slope rating and playing handicap as well as a change in most of the allowances for different forms of competition to sort out. It might be better , or fairer, under the new system but I hear people moaning about it a year on and they weren't moaning under the old system.
There is no reason why a similar chart couldn't be developed for WHS. The starting points for both would be CONGU Handicap and WHS Course Handicap. No real difference.
Surely, those charts already exist either on a noticeboard or near the 1st Tee. The latter was how it was at the couple of clubs I played at when I went back home (to NZ) many years ago. The score-entry computer was on the way to Bar, so normally pretty difficult to miss.Those charts were everywhere until they started to disappear through the 1980s.
From a playing perspective only, it really isn't any more complex to lookup your Course Handicap on a chart/board/app than it is to round to the nearest integer. Anyone moaning about complexity is trying to do manual calculations that they have absolutely no need to be doing.
Indeed, but then the system was very much simplified in my mind maybe 30 years ago?The difference in the old days was instead of big boards on the outside of club we had charts either on the back of cards or on notice boards
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So? That is what many people are like. The evidence is in these forums, on social media or even in real life. People complain when things are less than perfect. WHS gives them another topic to moan about, about issues that were never really issues before WHS. About issues that could have been mitigated within WHS.How many people are having to work out their handicaps and allowances every single time they play? And why are they waiting till they are standing on the first tee to start working it all out?
Once again it smells like people looking for things to be grumpy and complain about.
People complain when things are less than what they consider perfect.
Fixed it for you!