woofers
Medal Winner
Sorry, I was referring to Jim’s post about 9 hole scores only being allowed on their 9 hole course.
9 Hole Differentials in WHS
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wjemather
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Clubs should not be preventing valid 9-hole score submissions without good reason.
rulefan
Tour Winner
Would it be a good reason if the player could have returned an 18 hole score?
wjemather
Well-known member
No.
It's the player's decision alone as to whether they play 9 or 18-holes, and pre-register their intent accordingly if wanting to submit a score for handicapping. There is no limit to the number of scores a player can submit in a day.
However, players should not submit 2 9-hole scores instead of a single 18-hole score in an attempt to manipulate their handicap record, and the committee should follow up any such occurrences to ensure that is not the case.
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jim8flog
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The 18 hole course is an out and back one and does not lend itself to just playing 9 holes in order. It would be extremely rare for a player to play the first 9 with no intention of playing the second 9. Commencing a round on the 10th would make no sense given it's location relative to where a car could be parked etc
Both 9s are rated but have not been included on the WHS portal.
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wjemather
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I'd imagine playing just 14 or 15 holes isn't too uncommon though (if someone doesn't want/have time to play a full 18)?
rulefan
Tour Winner
My course is an out and back 1st 9 and a different out and back 9. When refereeing I encountered many such courses.
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
So it is easy to tee off on either the first or the 10th and put in a 9 hole card.
There are a lot of players who give up after the 14th or 15th (easiest place to walk in from) and NR/NS 16-18.
wjemather
Well-known member
Obviously no-one should be abandoning rounds for handicapping without good reason, but I see no reason why players are being prevented from submitting 9-hole gp scores from the front 9 (and then finishing after a few extra holes).
IanMcC
Well-known member
We have a 9 hole comp on a Friday on our front 9. Some players enter the comp, then put in a general play card for the back 9. I see no issues with this at all.
rulefan
Tour Winner
It would be but our course is pretty busy, so it is difficult the start at the 10th. But we have tight control over pre-declared 9 hole GP cards
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
Probably to help stop the confusion. We already have a lot of options as the 18 hole course already has 4 options (there is a long and a short course) and the 9 hole course 4 and we get enough problems with players signing up for the wrong course as it is.
OldMate
Head Pro
I haven't read through the full thread so may be cutting across what has already been said/going off topic a bit, but I prefer the way Australia seems to deal with 9 hole scores - they sit on a players record until they submit another 9 hole score then the two get paired to form an 18 hole score. It's a bit clunky given the player is in totally different form etc. across the different days but it still allows for 9 hole scores to be relevant for those who want/need to count them, whilst limiting the ability to manipulate by selecting an easier 9 etc. I'm not sure but as far as I know, their system has the 9 hole scores lapsing after a certain period if not paired with another score and presumably both 9s have to be on the same course/opposite 9 etc.
rulefan
Tour Winner
Are you sure this is the current situation?
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
ditto to Rulefan. In the UK the system was that originally but was changed to the current one.
rulefan
Tour Winner
IGNORE - Wrong formula
From the GA website.
The new formula for a 9-Hole Daily Handicap =(((GA Handicap ÷ 2) x 9-hole Slope Rating ÷ 113) + (9-hole Scratch Rating minus 9-hole Par)) x 0.93 x Consistency Factor* Consistency Factor values: Women/Girls = 1.0483 | Men/Boys = 0.9986
From the GA website.
The new formula for a 9-Hole Daily Handicap =(((GA Handicap ÷ 2) x 9-hole Slope Rating ÷ 113) + (9-hole Scratch Rating minus 9-hole Par)) x 0.93 x Consistency Factor* Consistency Factor values: Women/Girls = 1.0483 | Men/Boys = 0.9986
- Note: The new formula will calculate a 9-hole Daily Handicap for a player that is usually about 50% of what their 18-hole Daily Handicap would be.
- The result of the Daily Handicap calculation is rounded to the nearest whole number.
- No work will be required of players – the software will be updated accordingly. Club administrators should print updated Daily Handicap Look-up charts using GA’s website chart generator.
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rulefan
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rulie
Head Pro
It appears that there are two different things being discussed here - one is dealing with nine hole scores for handicap purposes and the other is calculating a nine hole handicap, or have I missed something?
rulefan
Tour Winner
Oops!!
I saw a formula on the GA website and assumed it was the 'unpublished' SD.
OldMate
Head Pro
Good point, I don't know, and given the later posts discussing calculation of daily playing handicaps vs. treatment of scores I'm none the wiser/haven't bothered checking. I've just seen it on friends GA handicap records who play in Oz, but it may have been as I scrolled way back in their scoring history.