I've learnt (to retain interest) to always carry more pies!!!
Virtuocity said that his ball striking was like chalk and cheese.... so I guess he had food on his mind too!!
Never had an overswing problem. Started playing hockey when the 'Sticks' rule (anything above the shoulder was automatically deemed dangerous) applied, So quite the opposite!Did you ever try hitting down on the ball when you have a 140 degree overswing? and grip the club with both your thumbpads to the right of the grip at the 3 o'clock position, with NO wrist hinge
What's your point foxy? I'm going to GUESS that your swing is fairly reasonable to start with playing off 8.
I agree with the sentiment of your post above Foxy, it was a good one and I do agree with your points. If you take the quoted part above though a dozen half-hour sessions is what maybe £240 - £360? Well Virtuocity has already DONE that, he's had lessons from pros, he's had video lessons, he's even done his best at getting his head around various forum posts for the past 2 years that he's been here. He even got into stack and tilt (which I am NOT teaching to him) at about £50/hr to try a better way to hit the ball... how much should someone do? If he had (for example) 12 lessons then that's 6hrs of teaching that has done practically nothing for his game other than keep him playing. We achieved more in that time than all the money and time that he's spent so far since he first picked up a golf club!! (his words not mine).
I could have given him a '2 minute tip' as you say and sent him on his merry way but he'd still not know what on earth he was doing with his swing, what problems these things cause and what the fixes are. He wouldn't have had an outline of a solid swing structure (a plan) that he could stick to and measure his own progress somewhat.
The reason I made the post is to give HIM the confidence that I am happy to post about it. I don't want him feeling obligated in some way to blow smoke up my jacksie just because we spent a day together, on the contrary, I want to say look YOU did Dave, you did really well and I hope this post reminds you of our day and inspires you to remember the things we've done and to progress from there.
There are many ways to do things, some like a quick 5 minutes here and there, some might like 1hr lessons others 20 minutes, some take years to get to single figures, some might be quicker, some play for 15yrs and never get to single figures, some people frankly don't care if they make it there or not. Why is it that EVERYTHING that I do seems to be wrong Foxy? Why is it that if I REALLY HELP SOMEONE who was very generous in their thanks and praise for the time we spent, what they'd learned, how they'd hit the ball and how they felt empowered enough to press on now thru the Winter with new enthusiasm that I somehow come out as the bad guy? You'd think I was teaching people to stand on their own fingers whilst trying to swing the club with their right ear lobe!
I'm not interested in patching someone's swing with a 2 minute fix, if that's what they want then they should go and see their local pro who I'm sure will show them something that they'll hardly ever practice, probably won't do properly even if they did, and will work for no more than 3 rounds when the wheels will suddenly fall off their swing as they build wrong 'fix' on top of wrong fix. That's exactly what Virtuocity did in the past and countless 1000's of other golfers do every day... good for them!
If someone can't stand on the range for 5,6,7 or 8 hours then DON'T, it's quite simple. If they don't want to know how to hit the ball properly but they want to have their grip fixed then that's good for them too.
We had a great time, we practiced the right things, we practiced with a purpose, we talked about stuff, we mixed it up a bit and the time literally flew past, we even skipped lunch to keep hitting balls. It was a great day, it achieved a lot and it's a shame that we probably only ever would have just that ONE DAY together to get the job done.... I won't be driving to Scotland in a hurry to give out a 2 minute swing fix I can tell you that much!.
I don't know if you've ever heard of Slicefixer??? but people in the USA travel to him and stay for 2/3 days and hit thousands of balls, learn about the swing and then do it all over again 6 months later just to top up with more info/knowledge and a 'tune up' here and there. Virtuocity decided that he wanted to come and spend the day with me, he knew what to expect. Spend more than 30 minutes on a range with someone in the UK and sheeeesh it's like you suddenly become public enemy No1.
Anyway...............................
Perhaps you treat any reply that is not sycophantish as negative criticism. I'm afraid I don't do those replies! in those threads as I didn't believe they'd help! I'm certainly open to the 'posts too much' criticism, but couldn't see the point in that case.I'm (generally) not interested in a 2 minute fix either. But when it's the perfect fix, I'm happy to shout about it. I'm not 100% convinced that the Headcover Drill is a complete cure (simply an effective compensation, but so what, it works) but this one is excellent! There are certainly 'Band-aid' Pros, but not all - and it is a 2-way exercise!
Yes. Been on my Favourites list since 2003/4!
I agree with the sentiment of your post above Foxy, it was a good one and I do agree with your points. If you take the quoted part above though a dozen half-hour sessions is what maybe £240 - £360? Well Virtuocity has already DONE that, he's had lessons from pros, he's had video lessons, he's even done his best at getting his head around various forum posts for the past 2 years that he's been here. He even got into stack and tilt (which I am NOT teaching to him) at about £50/hr to try a better way to hit the ball... how much should someone do? If he had (for example) 12 lessons then that's 6hrs of teaching that has done practically nothing for his game other than keep him playing. We achieved more in that time than all the money and time that he's spent so far since he first picked up a golf club!! (his words not mine).
I could have given him a '2 minute tip' as you say and sent him on his merry way but he'd still not know what on earth he was doing with his swing, what problems these things cause and what the fixes are. He wouldn't have had an outline of a solid swing structure (a plan) that he could stick to and measure his own progress somewhat.
The reason I made the post is to give HIM the confidence that I am happy to post about it. I don't want him feeling obligated in some way to blow smoke up my jacksie just because we spent a day together, on the contrary, I want to say look YOU did Dave, you did really well and I hope this post reminds you of our day and inspires you to remember the things we've done and to progress from there.
There are many ways to do things, some like a quick 5 minutes here and there, some might like 1hr lessons others 20 minutes, some take years to get to single figures, some might be quicker, some play for 15yrs and never get to single figures, some people frankly don't care if they make it there or not. Why is it that EVERYTHING that I do seems to be wrong Foxy? Why is it that if I REALLY HELP SOMEONE who was very generous in their thanks and praise for the time we spent, what they'd learned, how they'd hit the ball and how they felt empowered enough to press on now thru the Winter with new enthusiasm that I somehow come out as the bad guy? You'd think I was teaching people to stand on their own fingers whilst trying to swing the club with their right ear lobe!
I'm not interested in patching someone's swing with a 2 minute fix, if that's what they want then they should go and see their local pro who I'm sure will show them something that they'll hardly ever practice, probably won't do properly even if they did, and will work for no more than 3 rounds when the wheels will suddenly fall off their swing as they build wrong 'fix' on top of wrong fix. That's exactly what Virtuocity did in the past and countless 1000's of other golfers do every day... good for them!
If someone can't stand on the range for 5,6,7 or 8 hours then DON'T, it's quite simple. If they don't want to know how to hit the ball properly but they want to have their grip fixed then that's good for them too.
We had a great time, we practiced the right things, we practiced with a purpose, we talked about stuff, we mixed it up a bit and the time literally flew past, we even skipped lunch to keep hitting balls. It was a great day, it achieved a lot and it's a shame that we probably only ever would have just that ONE DAY together to get the job done.... I won't be driving to Scotland in a hurry to give out a 2 minute swing fix I can tell you that much!.
I don't know if you've ever heard of Slicefixer??? but people in the USA travel to him and stay for 2/3 days and hit thousands of balls, learn about the swing and then do it all over again 6 months later just to top up with more info/knowledge and a 'tune up' here and there. Virtuocity decided that he wanted to come and spend the day with me, he knew what to expect. Spend more than 30 minutes on a range with someone in the UK and sheeeesh it's like you suddenly become public enemy No1.
Anyway...............................
I like you Spartacus. I also suspect that you are an alias account, however I admire your plucky wee nature. Here- have a gif:
I can just see it now.....
Me: "James, I'm overswinging AGAIN. I have a crap grip. My impact conditions are poor. What about path? What about face? What about wrist hinge? Does my rubbish posture prohibit me? I can't chip it close and skull every bunker shot. Will this prohibit me from lowering my big handicap?"
James: "No sunshine- Just get yourself some Dr Bob books".
