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Jensen said:
What I find disgusting is that a white British Airways female employee was told to remove the crucifix around her neck as it might be offensive !!!! Offensive to whom.......?
Britain historically IS a Christian/Catholic country and as such a crucifix represents that. If I can't see it offending ANY non-believer, then please for my simple mind tell me who it is offensive towards.......?
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oh dear, did you read this on a social network by chance?!

she has since won her case, and the laws allow her to do this. David Cameron (the PM) even commented that he liked that she could wear it!!

Oh and it happened in 2006.

so you're saying you dislike BA, not the government!
 
SocketRocket said:
So they should hold onto the cultures of the countries they have decided to leave and our own culture should be a melting pot of all of them. That sounds about right then!
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So a culture should only be followed when in that country ? Can a culture not be part of a persons own personality ?

Isn't the countries culture made up of the personalities of the people in that country ?

We have British Hindus and Muslims and other races and religions - which culture are they allowed to follow ? The British culture or their religious culture ?

When Brits go abroad do stop following our culture ? Not from what I have witnessed.

We live in a free world where people are able to make their own choices about the way they live their live ( as long as it is within the laws set down ) - I'm happy for it to stay that way.
 
CheltenhamHacker said:
oh dear, did you read this on a social network by chance?!

she has since won her case, and the laws allow her to do this. David Cameron (the PM) even commented that he liked that she could wear it!!

Oh and it happened in 2006.

so you're saying you dislike BA, not the government!
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Nearest I get to social media is posting on here........

So it was 2006, but it still happend.

Please then tell me who would find it offensive......
 
Jensen said:
Nearest I get to social media is posting on here........

So it was 2006, but it still happend.

Please then tell me who would find it offensive......
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Remember the crucifix was a big symbol during the crusades when millions upon millions where murdered by Christians
 
Jensen said:
I'm sorry but I can't see today's generation being offended by something that took part many, many, many generations ago. I think you're being very diplomatic.
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You just asked who could be offended by it and I gave you an example

You could also add in people that have been abused by catholic priests
 
Liverpoolphil said:
So a culture should only be followed when in that country ? Can a culture not be part of a persons own personality ?

Isn't the countries culture made up of the personalities of the people in that country ?

We have British Hindus and Muslims and other races and religions - which culture are they allowed to follow ? The British culture or their religious culture ?

When Brits go abroad do stop following our culture ? Not from what I have witnessed.

We live in a free world where people are able to make their own choices about the way they live their live ( as long as it is within the laws set down ) - I'm happy for it to stay that way.
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I get it that you think that way but it's naive. This is one of the few countries in this world that has that level of tolerance, much of the world do not think or operate that way, the word is anything but Free! Have you ever been to countries like Japan, China, Russia, Ukraine, Poland, Saudi, Iran where racism is profound, these people and many more around the globe dont tolerate other cultures the way we do.

You keep missing my point. It's not the change, it's the rate of change that has been too fast and it has turned many people against each other.
 
Jensen said:
OK so long,long after the crusades who would find it offensive today.....
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No one, it's a ridiculous interpretation of a religion neutral policy.

You can't turn back the clock, we are multicultural.

Unchecked immigration is a different matter, but you can't forcibly repatriate.

That's not the issue anyway. The issue is the demonisation of a community based on the actions of a minority.

Our issue is we keep adding to a Muslim sense of being under siege, which in turn makes them more insular. If you ban the hijab you give them another cause, another sense of injustice.

They may seemingly not display our relatively liberal attitudes, but the desire for change has to come from within.
 
SocketRocket said:
I get it that you think that way but it's naive. This is one of the few countries in this world that has that level of tolerance, much of the world do not think or operate that way, the word is anything but Free! Have you ever been to countries like Japan, China, Russia, Ukraine, Poland, Saudi, Iran where racism is profound, these people and many more around the globe dont tolerate other cultures the way we do.

You keep missing my point. It's not the change, it's the rate of change that has been too fast and it has turned many people against each other.
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I know racism is profound in other countries - have witnessed it in many countries whilst working around the world

I'm extremely glad our country isn't like that ( or to the extreme of other countries )

Are Brits still able to follow their own culture ? Believe the answer is yes - now we just have other people following other ways of life within our country - they aren't telling us to follow their way

We aren't being forced to change our culture - we can still live our lives as we have done before.

Our culture is still around and going strong - it isn't getting swamped or over taken
 
Liverpoolphil why do you ask so many pedantic questions with 4/5/6 etc, word sentences?...
Oops i am doing it now..:rolleyes:..You really do need to get out more, or start reading the Mail,it is real you know..;)
 
Rumpokid said:
Liverpoolphil why do you ask so many pedantic questions with 4/5/6 etc, word sentences?...
Oops i am doing it now..:rolleyes:..You really do need to get out more, or start reading the Mail,it is real you know..;)
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Can we leave the cheap digs out of the thread - thank you
 
CheltenhamHacker said:
Not saying daveyboy would, but there are plenty who get angry and go off and join the right wing marches, happy to incite violence enroute! (Clearly not as bad as isis by a long way, but still not a good thing)
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He has an opinion, and he is concerned about the direction the country is going,..Why bring the right wing extremists into the equation?..Totally different issue as to what this thread is about.
 
Rumpokid said:
He has an opinion, and he is concerned about the direction the country is going,..Why bring the right wing extremists into the equation?..Totally different issue as to what this thread is about.
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The two are intrisically linked, in that it's anger that one of them is percieved to be occuring that is causing the other
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Remember the crucifix was a big symbol during the crusades when millions upon millions where murdered by Christians
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Just to be pedantic, was it not the cross that was the symbol of the crusades?

I often wonder if those Muslims offended by the cross/crucifix (assuming there are, as I don't know any) would be offended by a nice bit of salmon if the Christians still used the old fish ( ichtus? ) sign during the crusades. :)
 
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