7/7 Memorial vandalised on anniversary!!!

[SocketRocket]

c1973 makes the point very eloquently.

As for a pacifist religion, there is no such thing, different strands of belief, such as the Quakers, may take such a stance but, for instance, the Church of England generally reckoned that God was on our side in both the World Wars.

The religion does not promote this, those sentiments are made by Men to support their positions and power. Christianity is what 'Christ' taught his followers, not peoples interpretations to support their own agendas. Islam is different in this respect as its precepts teaches its followers that war and violence is an acceptable method to convert non believers.

 

[Rumpokid]

We are wayyyyy offf track now folks..

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Furthermore, to this thread,related,but off topic slightly,how the hell has it come to be that there are now in place,so many security checks at airports,that it is going to make flying an intolerable,unpleasant and downright stressful experience to what it used to be.

Maybe just maybe - just ensure that no suspect item gets onto the plant allowing it to be either hi jacked or blown up killing people.

Or would you rather no security checks were in place ?

 

[SocketRocket]

But Gods laws were contained in the Old Testament and Jesus's teachings were based on these laws,no?

No. Gods words were given to govern people up to the point he sent his Son to repeal them and replace them with new ones. Thats the difference between Christianity and the belief of jews and Muslims. They all follow the teachings of the Old Testament, only Christians follow the teachings of Christ, Muslims follow the further teachings of Mohammed .

 

[SocketRocket]

We are wayyyyy offf track now folks..

Not really. The whole issue is related to peoples religion.

 

[Rumpokid]

Maybe just maybe - just ensure that no suspect item gets onto the plant allowing it to be either hi jacked or blown up killing people.

Or would you rather no security checks were in place ?

I know WHY it has come to this, but my point was How it has come to this..Please don't answer a question with a question neither..I can feel it coming..
And yes, flying,and moreover,airports etc, used to be more fun and less stressful.Please tell me i am wrong?, so my answer is, i would like to live in country/world, or whatever, where there were less security checks when goin on me jollies..End of.

 

[Rumpokid]

Not really. The whole issue is related to peoples religion.

Well talkin about old testament stuff, god words etc blah, is a lot different to grafitti on a memorial...Just sayin.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I know WHY it has come to this, but my point was How it has come to this..Please don't answer a question with a question neither..I can feel it coming..
And yes, flying,and moreover,airports etc, used to be more fun and less stressful.Please tell me i am wrong?, so my answer is, i would like to live in country/world, or whatever, where there were less security checks when goin on me jollies..End of.

The differences of mankind will mean you will never live in a world like that - there has always be danger and conflicts in the world putting people in danger and flying has always been an easy target

And it got to this because people believe they are causing mayhem for the right reasons and people want to world to be what they want it to be

The day it changes is the day we all learn to be tolerant of each other and respect each other's views and people don't resort to violence to get their way - the day bullies are defeated forever.

 

[Rumpokid]

The differences of mankind will mean you will never live in a world like that - there has always be danger and conflicts in the world putting people in danger and flying has always been an easy target

And it got to this because people believe they are causing mayhem for the right reasons and people want to world to be what they want it to be

The day it changes is the day we all learn to be tolerant of each other and respect each other's views and people don't resort to violence to get their way - the day bullies are defeated forever.

I used to live in a world 'like that', and we had differences then..Mankind,childkind whatever,, but we did not live in a world where coconut airways flight 69 to Happy Del Sol was gonna be blown out of the sky,thus having me to get naked, and endure an intrusive cavity search going through security, in case i was hiding a can of lager.....Hmm, i am off track now......You do have a strange way of thinking Phil

 

[Deleted member 18588]

I know WHY it has come to this, but my point was How it has come to this..Please don't answer a question with a question neither..I can feel it coming..
And yes, flying,and moreover,airports etc, used to be more fun and less stressful.Please tell me i am wrong?, so my answer is, i would like to live in country/world, or whatever, where there were less security checks when goin on me jollies..End of.

Well I have been using airports and flying since 1972 and cannot remember these halcyon days to which you refer.

Airports are generally dumps and flying is boring but over the years I have always endured the queues for security in the knowledge that the checks were for the general good.

 

[Rumpokid]

Well I have been using airports and flying since 1972 and cannot remember these halcyon days to which you refer.

Airports are generally dumps and flying is boring but over the years I have always endured the queues for security in the knowledge that the checks were for the general good.

Sorry,must live in a different time dimension to you,but i remember the 70's well also.Air travel was great, as were airports.Maybe you flew for a living,or flew in a work related way, (i have done this also), or maybe you were unhappy in the 70's..People could smoke on planes by the way,rightly or wrongly, so it is obvious things were more relaxed then..

 

[Foxholer]

The differences of mankind will mean you will never live in a world like that - there has always be danger and conflicts in the world putting people in danger and flying has always been an easy target

And it got to this because people believe they are causing mayhem for the right reasons and people want to world to be what they want it to be

The day it changes is the day we all learn to be tolerant of each other and respect each other's views and people don't resort to violence to get their way - the day bullies are defeated forever.

LiverpoolPhil-osopher! I agree though!

Can someone point out where this thread ceased to be about the 7/7 Memorial vandalism? I happened to be pretty close to a couple of the incidents (working in Whitechapel) - and the hospital where many of the casualties went to - which was not far from a rather large mosque, where there was a great deal of angst, about several issues! Friday Prayers the following day were closely followed/patrolled!

But that part of London demonstrates how multi-cultural/receptive Britain (or at least London) has been for centuries!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I used to live in a world 'like that', and we had differences then..Mankind,childkind whatever,, but we did not live in a world where coconut airways flight 69 to Happy Del Sol was gonna be blown out of the sky,thus having me to get naked, and endure an intrusive cavity search going through security, in case i was hiding a can of lager.....Hmm, i am off track now......You do have a strange way of thinking Phil

The first hi jacking of a plane took place in the 1930's

The security has got more intense due to the fact that people that are looking to hi jack or cause trouble are getting cleverer in their methods

Not sure exactly what is strange about my thinking

 

[Rumpokid]

The first hi jacking of a plane took place in the 1930's

The security has got more intense due to the fact that people that are looking to hi jack or cause trouble are getting cleverer in their methods

Not sure exactly what is strange about my thinking

Pretty obvious really..Read your fanmail.

 

[Rumpokid]

The first hi jacking of a plane took place in the 1930's

The security has got more intense due to the fact that people that are looking to hi jack or cause trouble are getting cleverer in their methods

Not sure exactly what is strange about my thinking

1930's...What a great comparison ..How i love your wikipedia brain,or pub quiz fountain of knowledge..via many hours of googling.
What plane was it?
What was the reason?
What airline?
Why was it hijacked?
Any idea?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Pretty obvious really..Read your fanmail.

Fanmail ?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

1930's...What a great comparison ..How i love your wikipedia brain,or pub quiz fountain of knowledge..via many hours of googling.
What plane was it?
What was the reason?
What airline?
Why was it hijacked?
Any idea?

Just highlighting to you that flying has always been a target for terrorists - that massively increased over the 60's and 70's

Airport security checked massively heightened in the 70's with the introduction of body scanners etc

So for you to suggest you didn't live in a world where planes were under threat of a terrorist attack is extremely false.

 

[c1973]

No. Gods words were given to govern people up to the point he sent his Son to repeal them and replace them with new ones. Thats the difference between Christianity and the belief of jews and Muslims. They all follow the teachings of the Old Testament, only Christians follow the teachings of Christ, Muslims follow the further teachings of Mohammed .

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Are these the laws his son was sent to repeal and replace?

What did he replace, let's say, thou shalt not kill with?

 

[Rumpokid]

Just highlighting to you that flying has always been a target for terrorists - that massively increased over the 60's and 70's

Airport security checked massively heightened in the 70's with the introduction of body scanners etc

So for you to suggest you didn't live in a world where planes were under threat of a terrorist attack is extremely false.

You really do talk some rubbish..Did you fly out of Israel or middle east by any chance?
I used UK airports years ago, and to try and manipulate security back then to now is warped.
Anyhow, as i have said before,change the medication or seek advice.Deluded

 

[HomerJSimpson]

It makes not an iota of difference about airport security these days. If a terrorist wants to commit an atrocity as 7/7 showed or the sarin attack in Tokyo as another example, they will find a way and a means. There was the indiscriminate bombing campaigns of the IRA both in Northern Ireland and the mainland in the 70's and 80's. Of course it isn't just here. How many random shootings in the US? Only takes one itchy finger on a trigger.

The point is, it could happen anywhere anytime. Life is too short and there's no rehearsal so my take since being rather too close to popping off than I liked a few years back, is not to live in fear, take every allotted 24 hour of destiny, and in the words of Madness (Death of a rude boy)
You must stand up for what is right
Stay on the side of conscious
Make sure you live in light
Don't go down, don't fool around
Hold your ground
Don't be proud
Make sure that love is in your life