7/7 Memorial vandalised on anniversary!!!

[SocketRocket]

What rules does it apply to religion though ? Very generic statement

The government it appears are allowing companies to dictate their own policy

The policy must be fair and equally applied though. If the Christian cross is not appropriate or seen as necessary in the work place then the Muslim head and face covers must also fall into the same category as well as Turbans and bracelets worn by Sikhs for example. In Hospitals I would suggest all of them, including ties, create a risk for transfer of infection and should be banned.

 

[SocketRocket]

I fail to see where the Government has stated what is permissible. What has been stated is that employers are not discriminating against employees on religious grounds by prohibiting the visible wearing of a crucifix.

Unlike the wearing of the burkha which to certain Muslims is a basic tenet of their faith the wearing of the crucifix is an expression of faith, not a requirement.

The wearing of face covers by Muslim Women is not part of their faith as dictated by the Koran. It is more a modern fad perpetuated by Saudi that has been adopted by islamic militants to perpetuate their degrading of Women.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

The wearing of face covers by Muslim Women is not part of their faith as dictated by the Koran. It is more a modern fad perpetuated by Saudi that has been adopted by islamic militants to perpetuate their degrading of Women.

In the same way that there are different denominations of Christianity so there are different strands of Islam with their own requirements for the practising of that faith.

 

[SocketRocket]

In the same way that there are different denominations of Christianity so there are different strands of Islam with their own requirements for the practising of that faith.

Thats right. Female genital mutilation being one of them.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Thats right. Female genital mutilation being one of them.

Your point is what precisely?

It is certainly not the majority of Muslims that maintain that barbaric practice and nor is it the majority of Christians who practise polygamy.

 

[Snelly]

Well you know what they say, meet someone and think they are an arse, he's probably an arse. If everyone you meet is an arse then you're the arse.

I apologise for my modern lexicon. I understand for some of a different generation they may not appreciate it.

Brilliantly erudite as ever Woody but I have met thousands of fantastic people in my life, just that none of them are Russian. Maybe with your extensive experience of travel and trading in Russia you have? I am yet to have that pleasure, having only been in Moscow for 3 weeks in the past 3 years.

In other news, one of my dogs is called Woody. Small world.

 

[SocketRocket]

Your point is what precisely?

It is certainly not the majority of Muslims that maintain that barbaric practice and nor is it the majority of Christians who practise polygamy.

Polygamy being another Muslim trait. My point is that unlike Christianly Islam has a trait of degrading Women which is primitive in this age.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Polygamy being another Muslim trait. My point is that unlike Christianly Islam has a trait of degrading Women which is primitive in this age.

http://www.alternet.org/story/15446...tians_and_the_gop_to_control_and_malign_women

 

[woody69]

Polygamy being another Muslim trait. My point is that unlike Christianly Islam has a trait of degrading Women which is primitive in this age.

Pretty much all religions degrade women, because all religions were written and conceived by men (with the exception of shoe shopping).

 

[MattM]

Polygamy being another Muslim trait. My point is that unlike Christianly Islam has a trait of degrading Women which is primitive in this age.

Is that a serious observation?? Degrading women is not limited to specific religions, it's cultural, sociological and global.

Even the demographic of this site has recent and ongoing history of degrading women (Men only golf clubs / men only bars etc)

Or are you saying that the degradation of women is ok as long as it is not the 'primitive' (assuming you mean female genital mutilation) kind practiced by some cultures (it's not a religion thing)

 

[woody69]

Brilliantly erudite as ever Woody but I have met thousands of fantastic people in my life, just that none of them are Russian. Maybe with your extensive experience of travel and trading in Russia you have? I am yet to have that pleasure, having only been in Moscow for 3 weeks in the past 3 years.

In other news, one of my dogs is called Woody. Small world.

I've only ever met two Russians and they were both strippers, and although I was quite drunk at the time I thought they were awfully nice. Based on my experiences though I'm not sure I can say I love all Russians just because the two I met were taking their clothes off at the time, so instead I think I'll just wait until I meet the individuals themselves instead of proclaiming to love all Russians. Maybe you could apply the same logic and instead of saying you don't generally like Russians, based on the fact the few you have met are (in your humble opinion) bellends, then maybe, just maybe there are some out there that can put up with your witty banter and love of life and you can then scream from the roof tops, "I was wrong, I was wrong! It isn't Russians that I dislike, it's just rude ignorant nobbers!"

Thanks for sharing about your dog. Mine is called Barney.

 

[Rumpokid]

I've only ever met two Russians and they were both strippers, and although I was quite drunk at the time I thought they were awfully nice. Based on my experiences though I'm not sure I can say I love all Russians just because the two I met were taking their clothes off at the time, so instead I think I'll just wait until I meet the individuals themselves instead of proclaiming to love all Russians. Maybe you could apply the same logic and instead of saying you don't generally like Russians, based on the fact the few you have met are (in your humble opinion) bellends, then maybe, just maybe there are some out there that can put up with your witty banter and love of life and you can then scream from the roof tops, "I was wrong, I was wrong! It isn't Russians that I dislike, it's just rude ignorant nobbers!"

Thanks for sharing about your dog. Mine is called Barney.

Bit of an immature comment to what the poster (snelly), has said.

 

[Rumpokid]

Furthermore, to this thread,related,but off topic slightly,how the hell has it come to be that there are now in place,so many security checks at airports,that it is going to make flying an intolerable,unpleasant and downright stressful experience to what it used to be.

 

[SocketRocket]

http://www.alternet.org/story/15446...tians_and_the_gop_to_control_and_malign_women

That link only goes to show your ignorance of Christianity. The quotes are all taken from the Old Testament, there is a clue in the name Christianity! 'Christ' Christ reformed those things and gave a new set of guidelines for people to live by, none of the mentioned were amongst them.

The Koran promotes war and punishment on non believers, it also promotes punishments like cutting off hands and stoning to death for such crimes as theft and adultery.

 

[SocketRocket]

Furthermore, to this thread,related,but off topic slightly,how the hell has it come to be that there are now in place,so many security checks at airports,that it is going to make flying an intolerable,unpleasant and downright stressful experience to what it used to be.

Well it certainly isn't due to the YMCA!

 

[Deleted member 18588]

That link only goes to show your ignorance of Christianity. The quotes are all taken from the Old Testament, there is a clue in the name Christianity! 'Christ' Christ reformed those things and gave a new set of guidelines for people to live by, none of the mentioned were amongst them.

The Koran promotes war and punishment on non believers, it also promotes punishments like cutting off hands and stoning to death for such crimes as theft and adultery.

Are you suggesting that the Old Testament has no relevance to Christianity.

That would be an interesting theological standpoint.

 

[c1973]

Are you suggesting that the Old Testament has no relevance to Christianity.

That would be an interesting theological standpoint.

Indeed. I'd be extremely interested in reading about that (assuming that is indeed the posters view).

 

[SocketRocket]

Are you suggesting that the Old Testament has no relevance to Christianity.

That would be an interesting theological standpoint.

It is a prelude to Christianity. The laws of the old testament are not Christian, how can they be as 'Christ' had not arrived on the scene when it was written. These old laws were ones to govern the Jews in their Pre-Christian time, the New Testament is a book based on the teachings of 'Christ' who repealed these laws and replaced them with ones based on forgiveness and peace. It is a pacifist religion and any wars or violence is not carried out in it's name. Unlike Islam.

 

[c1973]

But Gods laws were contained in the Old Testament and Jesus's teachings were based on these laws,no?

 

[Deleted member 18588]

It is a prelude to Christianity. The laws of the old testament are not Christian, how can they be as 'Christ' had not arrived on the scene when it was written. These old laws were ones to govern the Jews in their Pre-Christian time, the New Testament is a book based on the teachings of 'Christ' who repealed these laws and replaced them with ones based on forgiveness and peace. It is a pacifist religion and any wars or violence is not carried out in it's name. Unlike Islam.

c1973 makes the point very eloquently.

As for a pacifist religion, there is no such thing, different strands of belief, such as the Quakers, may take such a stance but, for instance, the Church of England generally reckoned that God was on our side in both the World Wars.