6-9 irons

bobmac said:
When I started playing golf, a set of irons were 3-SW
Nowadays, with people buying more hybrids and specialist wedges, is it likely manufacturers will end up selling just 4 irons in a set (6-9)?

I know people will buy whatever clubs makes golf easier and they haven't got time to practice so why bother.......just fill your bag full of hybrids and wedges and bingo, I'm your uncle.
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So actually golf equipment is well on the way to a complete return to the old days before full sets - when players found a specific spoon, brassie, driving iron, baffie, niblik etc that suited them for the various facets of game.

In fact it could be that a player finds that all he needs for his best game is a putter, a couple of wedges; a 9i and a 7i; a couple of hybrids and a driver (maybe with 2wood loft). Eight clubs - possibly all different manufacturers
 
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One Planer said:
There's nothing snobby, arrogant or elitist about what Freddie has said.

What Freddie has said throughout the thread echo's Bobs OP.

People today often (... Not always) look for a solution to an issue they have in hardware as opposed to learning to hit a particular club or shot.

Can't putt, change the putter etc.

Can't hit a long iron, play a hybrid.

Can't hit a driver, buy a mini driver.

You can learn a lot more than just what you're looking for.

For example I used to fade the ball, but wanted to learn to hit a draw. Before I could draw the ball I hit big hooks. Now, I know how to hit a hook or bigger draw, based on what I initially learned when simply looking for a draw shape.

That can be very useful on the course.
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I disagree, Freddie and Bob are not talking about the same thing at all!! Bob is saying dont try and buy a game, if you cant hit X club (the story started with a 5 iron) then learn. Freddies point is "your not doing things right if your not using blades, starting with a half set" and so on. Freddie has been very clear that he does not respect people who use technology. It could be said that's snobby, arrogant or elitist!!
 
Alex1975 said:
I disagree, Freddie and Bob are not talking about the same thing at all!! Bob is saying dont try and buy a game, if you cant hit X club (the story started with a 5 iron) then learn. Freddies point is "your not doing things right if your not using blades, starting with a half set" and so on. Freddie has been very clear that he does not respect people who use technology. It could be said that's snobby, arrogant or elitist!!
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That's the way I have read it also throughout the thread
 
Alex1975 said:
I disagree, Freddie and Bob are not talking about the same thing at all!! Bob is saying dont try and buy a game, if you cant hit X club (the story started with a 5 iron) then learn. Freddies point is "your not doing things right if your not using blades, starting with a half set" and so on. Freddie has been very clear that he does not respect people who use technology. It could be said that's snobby, arrogant or elitist!!
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The overriding point in both (Bob and Freddie's) argument is that is better to learn a skill as opposed to not learning.

That's the point I'm making.

It doesn't matter whether a player wants to learn to hit a hybrid, driver or even a 5 iron as in the OP, the skill still has to be acquired.

We all know you can't buy a swing or golfing ability, but that doesn't stop people changing a putter/driver/wedge frequently in an attempt to find something 'better'.
 
Alex1975 said:
I disagree, Freddie and Bob are not talking about the same thing at all!! Bob is saying dont try and buy a game, if you cant hit X club (the story started with a 5 iron) then learn. Freddies point is "your not doing things right if your not using blades, starting with a half set" and so on. Freddie has been very clear that he does not respect people who use technology. It could be said that's snobby, arrogant or elitist!!
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Ok I don't recall saying I don't respect anyone let alone making it very clear that I don't respect anyone.

I just happen to think you need to learn the fundamentals to maximise your own potential.
 
Alex1975 said:
I disagree, Freddie and Bob are not talking about the same thing at all!! Bob is saying dont try and buy a game, if you cant hit X club (the story started with a 5 iron) then learn. Freddies point is "your not doing things right if your not using blades, starting with a half set" and so on. Freddie has been very clear that he does not respect people who use technology. It could be said that's snobby, arrogant or elitist!!
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Liverpoolphil said:
That's the way I have read it also throughout the thread
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This is also how i have perceived what Freddie has been saying, simply because that's what he has been saying.
 
If you cant putt do you keep buying more putters OR DO YOU LEARN TO PUTT.
If you cant hit your wedges, do you keep buying more wedges OR DO YOU LEARN HOW TO HIT THEM
If you cant hit a driver straight, do you keep buying more drivers OR DO YOU LEARN HOW TO HIT IT STRAIGHT.

I have no problem whatsoever with people buying the latest kit to enhance the skills they already have.
I do have a problem with people trying to buy more equipment because they have no skills and cant hit the perfectly good set they already have whether it's blades, Super GI irons or a bag full of hybrids, I dont give a monkeys.

THAT IS WHAT THIS THREAD WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT.

Golf is a game made up of many skills.
If you want to be any good, you have to learn these skills.
Buying more kit wont buy you a skill

There's nothing elitist, arrogant or insulting about that.

If you want to discuss anything else, please start your own thread.

Rant over.
 
bobmac said:
If you cant putt do you keep buying more putters OR DO YOU LEARN TO PUTT.
If you cant hit your wedges, do you keep buying more wedges OR DO YOU LEARN HOW TO HIT THEM
If you cant hit a driver straight, do you keep buying more drivers OR DO YOU LEARN HOW TO HIT IT STRAIGHT.

I have no problem whatsoever with people buying the latest kit to enhance the skills they already have.
I do have a problem with people trying to buy more equipment because they have no skills and cant hit the perfectly good set they already have whether it's blades, Super GI irons or a bag full of hybrids, I dont give a monkeys.

THAT IS WHAT THIS THREAD WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT.

Golf is a game made up of many skills.
If you want to be any good, you have to learn these skills.
Buying more kit wont buy you a skill

There's nothing elitist, arrogant or insulting about that.

If you want to discuss anything else, please start your own thread.

Rant over.
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Bob, i think EVERYONE that has taken part in this thread is very very clear what you were saying. Many of us have covered the point. If the thread had not moved on it would have been one that would have had 15 replies and been long gone by now. In my opinion you were talking to about 5 people because not many people do what your talking about on this forum. Most people who are buying new kit are doing it for other reason, that have been covered.

Why do you care that this has moved onto another conversation? Why is it bothering you?
 
bobmac said:
If you cant putt do you keep buying more putters OR DO YOU LEARN TO PUTT.
If you cant hit your wedges, do you keep buying more wedges OR DO YOU LEARN HOW TO HIT THEM
If you cant hit a driver straight, do you keep buying more drivers OR DO YOU LEARN HOW TO HIT IT STRAIGHT.

I have no problem whatsoever with people buying the latest kit to enhance the skills they already have.
I do have a problem with people trying to buy more equipment because they have no skills and cant hit the perfectly good set they already have whether it's blades, Super GI irons or a bag full of hybrids, I dont give a monkeys.

THAT IS WHAT THIS THREAD WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT.

Golf is a game made up of many skills.
If you want to be any good, you have to learn these skills.
Buying more kit wont buy you a skill

There's nothing elitist, arrogant or insulting about that.

If you want to discuss anything else, please start your own thread.

Rant over.
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So really you should be discourageing GM from taking monies for advertising of these new modern clubs that "do allow you to hit the ball better, easier, longer and with more forgiveness". No...I thought not.
In any case, a modern 3 iron will probably be equal to an old 2 or even 1 iron going on lofts. How is modern lofts "playing the game as it should be played?"
 
Bunkermagnet said:
In any case, a modern 3 iron will probably be equal to an old 2 or even 1 iron going on lofts.
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I suggest you look at the Titleist range of AP2, CB and MB ranges all 3 irons 21 degrees

Also look at the Ping I and S ranges all 3 irons 21 degrees and some of the G ranges are 20 degrees

Also the Mizuno MP range all 3 irons 21 degrees

Not forgetting the TM MB range all 3 irons 21 degrees

Bunkermagnet said:
How is modern lofts "playing the game as it should be played?"
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When did I say anything about playing golf as it should be played?
 
I really like the idea of us rejecting full sets and going back to the days of choosing individual clubs we want and like - and get on with - from as many different manufacturers as we care. And almost certainly we'll end up with fewer clubs in our bags (why would we spend money on clubs we don't need) and learn to play them better as we'd be playing them more frequently. Too often beginners will have a full set and not know what to do with them; which club to use and when; getting tied up with range finders etc and getting confused. Simplify the game by just playing with clubs you like and have learned to use. And so a beginner might not have any iron stronger than a 6i or 7i! His distance clubs being a couple of hybrids and then a couple of woods.
 
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I really like the idea of us rejecting full sets and going back to the days of choosing individual clubs we want and like - and get on with - from as many different manufacturers as we care. And almost certainly we'll end up with fewer clubs in our bags (why would we spend money on clubs we don't need) and learn to play them better as we'd be playing them more frequently. Too often beginners will have a full set and not know what to do with them; which club to use and when; getting tied up with range finders etc and getting confused. Simplify the game by just playing with clubs you like and have learned to use. And so a beginner might not have any iron stronger than a 6i or 7i! His distance clubs being a couple of hybrids and then a couple of woods.
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That all sounds really good on paper & even quite good fun, but how am I ever going to play the game properly if I don't learn how to draw a 3I under the wind (lets forget for a moment that the popular mass market doesn't sell a 3I in their sets anymore)

It'll be pandemonium on the course with folk enjoying themselves, having fun & playing any club they choose and taking the game far too lightly!
 
Slab said:
Given that the vast majority of manufactures don’t include a 3I in their sets,
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I suggest you look at the Titleist range of AP2, CB and MB ranges all 3 irons 21 degrees

Also look at the Ping I and S ranges all 3 irons 21 degrees and some of the G ranges are 20 degrees

Also the Mizuno MP range all 3 irons 21 degrees

Not forgetting the TM MB range all 3 irons 21 degrees
 
bobmac said:
I suggest you look at the Titleist range of AP2, CB and MB ranges all 3 irons 21 degrees

Also look at the Ping I and S ranges all 3 irons 21 degrees and some of the G ranges are 20 degrees

Also the Mizuno MP range all 3 irons 21 degrees

Not forgetting the TM MB range all 3 irons 21 degrees
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Is there an echo? The vast majority of sets don't include a 3i
 
bobmac said:
I suggest you look at the Titleist range of AP2, CB and MB ranges all 3 irons 21 degrees

Also look at the Ping I and S ranges all 3 irons 21 degrees and some of the G ranges are 20 degrees

Also the Mizuno MP range all 3 irons 21 degrees

Not forgetting the TM MB range all 3 irons 21 degrees
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Just used American golf as a barometer for the popular mass market, near 80 sets of irons for sale today, none include a 3 iron. It suggests this club is fast becoming a relic and inevitably 3 iron users will follow

I'd suggest anyone who has one hold onto it to show the grandkids, I might give mine to the local club to hang on the wall behind the bar :D
 
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