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Alex1975 said:
I think the reason is because it comes over (I am aware it's just your opinion) as very judgemental and people do not like to feel judged even though we all do it.

Question. Your playing a match, your giving 5 or 6 shots to your opponent and he has a bag full of hybrids and loads of wedges. On his approach shots he lasers the pin, picks a club and plays a full shot. At the end of the round he or she beats you.

Do you tell yourself that you gave shots away and you used blades so really you won? Perhaps do you even tell your competitor that?
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Freddie, did you miss this question or chose not to answer it?
 
Hacker Khan said:
Of course he's not paid to say he likes hybrids. Yes he is paid to have an interest in golf, but he could just have easily have said he can't get on with them and prefers long irons as some do. You seemed to have tipped over into blinkered paranoia now.
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My gosh people are touchy on here, it was a joke Mike is entitled to his own opinion just as much as I am.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
What are the right things to learn ? And indeed what makes them right and indeed properly
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I started playing as a junior so when I say beginner I am talking about youngsters I have no experience of coming into the game late.

And for me my opinion is once you can hit a golf ball you should learn how to play different shots, knock down shots, half shots , little cuts to take some yards off or to hold the wind, hooks, fades, low ones high ones, so that you can get it around in all conditions.
My 8 year old son has a half set of irons and he is coming on well.
 
freddielong said:
I started playing as a junior so when I say beginner I am talking about youngsters I have no experience of coming into the game late.

And for me my opinion is once you can hit a golf ball you should learn how to play different shots, knock down shots, half shots , little cuts to take some yards off or to hold the wind, hooks, fades, low ones high ones, so that you can get it around in all conditions.
My 8 year old son has a half set of irons and he is coming on well.
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But what makes that "right" and "proper" ?

Don't most people do that as they play the game anyway ?
 
freddielong said:
Just my opinion because you learn to manipulate the ball which should give you a greater understanding of the game and ultimately make you a better golfer.
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But surely they only measure to show a better golfer is the scores the make and the HC they get too

As opposed to how

If I go round the course in the same score as someone else but using hybrids and lots of wedges - neither is the "better" golfer. It's just doing something different.

The issue I have with a lot of what has been said is there appears to be an underlining arrogance or snobbery towards people that haven't learnt the game of golf the way you believe they should to make them "better" golfers

It's golf - the aim of the game hasn't changed
 
Liverpoolphil said:
But surely they only measure to show a better golfer is the scores the make and the HC they get too

As opposed to how

If I go round the course in the same score as someone else but using hybrids and lots of wedges - neither is the "better" golfer. It's just doing something different.

The issue I have with a lot of what has been said is there appears to be an underlining arrogance or snobbery towards people that haven't learnt the game of golf the way you believe they should to make them "better" golfers

It's golf - the aim of the game hasn't changed
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If that's the case, you've missed Bobs point IMO.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
But surely they only measure to show a better golfer is the scores the make and the HC they get too

As opposed to how

If I go round the course in the same score as someone else but using hybrids and lots of wedges - neither is the "better" golfer. It's just doing something different.

The issue I have with a lot of what has been said is there appears to be an underlining arrogance or snobbery towards people that haven't learnt the game of golf the way you believe they should to make them "better" golfers

It's golf - the aim of the game hasn't changed
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That is fine that is your opinion.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
I was replying to what Freddie said

And I understand Bobs point even if I don't fully agree with it
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There's nothing snobby, arrogant or elitist about what Freddie has said.

What Freddie has said throughout the thread echo's Bobs OP.

People today often (... Not always) look for a solution to an issue they have in hardware as opposed to learning to hit a particular club or shot.

Can't putt, change the putter etc.

Can't hit a long iron, play a hybrid.

Can't hit a driver, buy a mini driver.

You can learn a lot more than just what you're looking for.

For example I used to fade the ball, but wanted to learn to hit a draw. Before I could draw the ball I hit big hooks. Now, I know how to hit a hook or bigger draw, based on what I initially learned when simply looking for a draw shape.

That can be very useful on the course.
 
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brendy said:
Hence my amateur mention, pros do it for a living so they are going to use whatever tools the need to get food on the table and keep their card. As I said, take it how you will. I couldn't hit a 3i to save myself at one point, I learned. Just need to suss the rest of the game out again.
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In my opinion you have just muted your own argument. Pro's use hybrids to do the best they can. So why is everyone against amateurs using them to do the best they can :/
 
One Planer said:
There's nothing snobby, arrogant or elitist about what Freddie has said.

What Freddie has said throughout the thread echo's Bobs OP.

People today often (... Not always) look for a solution to an issue they have in hardware as opposed to learning to hit a particular club or shot.

Can't putt, change the putter etc.

Can't hit a long iron, play a hybrid.

Can't hit a driver, buy a mini driver.

You can learn a lot more than just what you're looking for.

For example I used to fade the ball, but wanted to learn to hit a draw. Before I could draw the ball I hit big hooks. Now, I know how to hit a hook or bigger draw, based on what I initially learned when simply looking for a draw shape.

That can be very useful on the course.
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Someone suggest that someone who uses a hybrid is dumbing down , someone who uses a 3 iron is a better golfer , someone who used a half set to learn and then learn different shots is a better golfer

It's a underlying theme throughout in my opinion
 
freddielong said:
For me if you want to do something properly and want to be really good at something. you learn how to do it properly, why do you think golfers like Seve Rory and tiger were so good, they learned the art of shot making when they were young

It is my opinion I would be grateful if you respected it just like I respect the tripe you come out with.
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Playing the game properly. :rofl: Ive never heard anyone chat so much **** in all of my life.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Someone suggest that someone who uses a hybrid is dumbing down , someone who uses a 3 iron is a better golfer , someone who used a half set to learn and then learn different shots is a better golfer

It's a underlying theme throughout in my opinion
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I an hit both a 3 iron and a hybrid. Look out for me on tour soon :rofl:

In all honestly, I don't think anyone on this thread has said if you can't hit a long iron you're a lesser golfer than someone who can.

If you can point me to a post that say's differently, I'd appreciate it.

As regards to dumbing down, I personally took it as a metaphor highlighting how technology has changed to make things easier for the golfer to play better.

Not make the game easier, just give the player the opportunity to play better.

My 19° hybrid is massively easier to hit than any 2 iron I've ever tried, however, I would still put the effort into learning to play a 2 iron correctly should the need ever arise.
 
Given that the vast majority of manufactures don’t include a 3I in their sets, what happens if we all learn to hit a 3I ?

And:
Why learn to hit a club that doesn’t exist in the popular market?
Where do we get a 3I to learn to hit?
Once we buy a club that doesn’t exist & learn to hit it, what happens when we change our clubs

Sure it’s a nice skill to have but like baking your own bread or tying a bow-tie, it’s a pretty redundant/obsolete skill and there’s no sign that it’ll come back into fashion anytime soon
 
I typed this and removed it before the previous post but I'm going to ask:

Isn't the plethora of modern training aids dumbing down the skill of learning to putt/drive/chip?

Or is it just an alternative means to an end, a little bit like a hybrid V's a 3I & neither is wrong
 
Slab said:
I typed this and removed it before the previous post but I'm going to ask:

Isn't the plethora of modern training aids dumbing down the skill of learning to putt/drive/chip?

Or is it just an alternative means to an end, a little bit like a hybrid V's a 3I & neither is wrong
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I don't know what training aids your referring to but a training aid by nature helps you learn something rather than find an alternate way to do it.
 
freddielong said:
I don't know what training aids your referring to but a training aid by nature helps you learn something rather than find an alternate way to do it.
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I think alternate is the important word there. That's all these clubs are, alternate ways of getting the ball in the hole in the fewest number of strokes. Not better or worse, not proper or cheating, just alternate.
 
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Slab said:
Given that the vast majority of manufactures don’t include a 3I in their sets, what happens if we all learn to hit a 3I ?

And:
Why learn to hit a club that doesn’t exist in the popular market?
Where do we get a 3I to learn to hit?
Once we buy a club that doesn’t exist & learn to hit it, what happens when we change our clubs

Sure it’s a nice skill to have but like baking your own bread or tying a bow-tie, it’s a pretty redundant/obsolete skill and there’s no sign that it’ll come back into fashion anytime soon
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You obviously have not tasted my home made stone baked ciabatta then..;)
 
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