4BBB Competitions - Individual Entry

[Deleted member 16999]

Obviously no one would intentionally enter a pairs comp as an individual, but if a Pair enters and one fails to turn up, should the individual be allowed to still enter the comp?
If not, would this have to be written in the entry conditions etc.

 

[duncan mackie]

It's written I to the rules of golf that one player may represent the side in 4BBB.
Furthermore, handicap allowances and strokes are taken from the lowest player - whether they are present or not.
All very simple - note a club may not have a local rule or term of competition that overturns a rule, so that wouldn't be appropriate (and is unnecessary anyway).
From the above you can also see that an individual may not form a valid entry into a 4BBB competition either; he would have to have a partner. Whether they both turn up to play in each, or all, rounds is a different matter.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Taking it one stage further, thanks for the above Duncan.
Tomorrow is a straightforward 4BBB Comp, entries are booked via BRS, sometimes an individual will put his name down in a spare 2 ball slot in the hope A.N. Other does the same, if no one does, we are left with the individual withdrawing on the day (as is their right) but it screws the other 2 ball up.
So are we left with no other choice than to scrap all 3 names from the Comp or hope the individual plays a social round so he can mark the pairs card or could the individual play and submit a supplementary card while marking for the 2 ball.
Just looking at options to offer the “3rd person”

 

[duncan mackie]

I can see no reason why in a 4BBB stroke play event you do not permit the single to compete. He has only disadvantages; so it may be his choice whether to pay an entry and compete or play socially as a marker.

 

[backwoodsman]

No reason in my mind why the singleton can't enter. As Duncan says, he's disadvantaged over the pairs who've entered. My query would be how much does he pay as the entry fee? My thought would be that he'd have to pay the "team fee" - ie if it is, say £2 each/£4 per pair, the singleton would have to pay the £4 ?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I can see no reason why in a 4BBB stroke play event you do not permit the single to compete. He has only disadvantages; so it may be his choice whether to pay an entry and compete or play socially as a marker.

Thanks again Duncan, I was confused by your words in the first reply “From the above you can also see that an individual may not form a valid entry into a 4BBB competition either”

 

[Scott W]

Happened to a mate of mine in an inter club match .... one of our guys didnt show (got date wrong and when we called him he was pissed at Kempton races!)

My buddy had to play the 2 fellas from the other club on his own....after teeing off at the first the 2 old duffers from the oppo team buggered off up the fairway in a buggy! leaving him to trail behind

Fair play to him he only lost 2/1

 

[duncan mackie]

Thanks again Duncan, I was confused by your words in the first reply “From the above you can also see that an individual may not form a valid entry into a 4BBB competition either”

My poor choice of words; should have been more specific with 4BBB match play competition.
We got there in the end 😁

 

[Deleted member 21258]

We entered a 4BBB (2 from 4) at Beau on one of their opens a couple of years, and was one player short as someone dropped out.

We were allowed to play as a 3 ball but no refund of monies and same rules applied (ie. 2 from 4).

Would have be peed if we had turned up and they had said we couldn't play on the day (never even crossed by mind that they may...)

 

[rulefan]

A 2 from 4 is not a 4BBB (properly called a 'Four-Ball). However it is described in the Committee Procedures as 'Best Two of Four Scores to Count'. Some times played as a 3 from 4.

But I can't really get excited about the nomenclature

 

[upsidedown]

Taking it one stage further, thanks for the above Duncan.
Tomorrow is a straightforward 4BBB Comp, entries are booked via BRS, sometimes an individual will put his name down in a spare 2 ball slot in the hope A.N. Other does the same, if no one does, we are left with the individual withdrawing on the day (as is their right) but it screws the other 2 ball up.
So are we left with no other choice than to scrap all 3 names from the Comp or hope the individual plays a social round so he can mark the pairs card or could the individual play and submit a supplementary card while marking for the 2 ball.
Just looking at options to offer the “3rd person”

If it was not an Honours Board comp at my place the 3 players could amalgamate and play as two pairs with the highest handicapper being on two teams so to speak.

If in the scenario you describe where the single player pulled out at the last minute he'd be talked to as it's his obligation to mark the others pairs card . He can enter in the comp if he so desires , play socially or do a supplementary .

 

[Deleted member 16999]

If it was not an Honours Board comp at my place the 3 players could amalgamate and play as two pairs with the highest handicapper being on two teams so to speak.

If in the scenario you describe where the single player pulled out at the last minute he'd be talked to as it's his obligation to mark the others pairs card . He can enter in the comp if he so desires , play socially or do a supplementary .

I like your first paragraph, that’s a good solution imo.

On the 2nd paragraph, is it really fair to expect the 3rd player to do the right thing when he’s been let down, maybe they are only able to play once at a weekend and could play later that day or even the next, morally it might smart, but I’m not sure I agree they have an obligation to the other pair.

 

[doublebogey7]

I like your first paragraph, that’s a good solution imo.

On the 2nd paragraph, is it really fair to expect the 3rd player to do the right thing when he’s been let down, maybe they are only able to play once at a weekend and could play later that day or even the next, morally it might smart, but I’m not sure I agree they have an obligation to the other pair.

Absolutely there should be an expectation that if one partner lets another down for whatever reason then the second partner should play in order to ensure the other pair are able to fairly take part in the competition. The alternative is that 2 members of the club are let down. If you choose to become a member of a golf club you have obligations to the other members of that club.

 

[badgergm]

Absolutely there should be an expectation that if one partner lets another down for whatever reason then the second partner should play in order to ensure the other pair are able to fairly take part in the competition. The alternative is that 2 members of the club are let down. If you choose to become a member of a golf club you have obligations to the other members of that club.

I agree. And in the original case, where someone has put their name down in the hope that someone joins them - then they also have an obligation to play as a marker. After all they have potentially prevented a pair from joining the original pair to make 4. We have a 36 hole 4BBB every year (Sat and Sun) - a major. Common for people to drop out of 2nd round for spurious reasons (such as a bad first round) leaving people scrabbling round for others who have similarly been let down. V poor behaviour - and not punished as it should be.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Absolutely there should be an expectation that if one partner lets another down for whatever reason then the second partner should play in order to ensure the other pair are able to fairly take part in the competition. The alternative is that 2 members of the club are let down. If you choose to become a member of a golf club you have obligations to the other members of that club.

I agree. And in the original case, where someone has put their name down in the hope that someone joins them - then they also have an obligation to play as a marker. After all they have potentially prevented a pair from joining the original pair to make 4. We have a 36 hole 4BBB every year (Sat and Sun) - a major. Common for people to drop out of 2nd round for spurious reasons (such as a bad first round) leaving people scrabbling round for others who have similarly been let down. V poor behaviour - and not punished as it should be.

Obviously from original post, we as a Club are trying to address this issue after it occurring a few times last season. Not a big problem, but one we’d like to address.
Unfortunately, not everybody joins a Golf Club to feel part of a club or take part in anything else but simply to turn up, play 18 holes and go home, no amount of moral outrage or us feeling they should oblige can force them, there is nothing you can do.
How hard would it be for someone who is left on their own to make a story up to cancel the booking for personal reasons (medical, family emergency etc).

 

[clubchamp98]

When we have this we have a ghost card.
The player on his own records his score ,a card is picked from all other cards and player A score goes with single .
So if player gets bogey on first and ghost gets par after shots the lower score counts.
Works well for us.

 

[upsidedown]

I like your first paragraph, that’s a good solution imo.

On the 2nd paragraph, is it really fair to expect the 3rd player to do the right thing when he’s been let down, maybe they are only able to play once at a weekend and could play later that day or even the next, morally it might smart, but I’m not sure I agree they have an obligation to the other pair.

It's now part of our rules for booking in and playing in Comps . We have spoken to 8 players already this season who have pulled out at the last minute and all have been very apologetic because as by their actions they stopped 8 other pairs entering the comp.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

It's now part of our rules for booking in and playing in Comps . We have spoken to 8 players already this season who have pulled out at the last minute and all have been very apologetic because as by their actions they stopped 8 other pairs entering the comp.

We have procedures for all comps aimed at those who either don’t turn up or cancel last minute.
What if 2 people pull out of seperate 4 balls and then the 2 guys join up to play in a 4Ball, is that ok?

 

[upsidedown]

We have procedures for all comps aimed at those who either don’t turn up or cancel last minute.
What if 2 people pull out of seperate 4 balls and then the 2 guys join up to play in a 4Ball, is that ok?

The guys who pull out or who are left behind ?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

The guys who pull out or who are left behind ?

Those left behind.