3 minutes to find ball

[Pin-seeker]

[QUOTE="Orikoru, post: 2016821, member: 22581"




Sorry you were just the first person I thought of, it was still a genuine question. Just replace your name with "some bloke" if you like. [/QUOTE]

Ned Flanders maybe 😂

 

[chrisd]

I can teach you some Swedish sayings at Sunningdale.

"No danger on the roof" for example. Whatever that has to do with anything - I do not know.

I'm pretty sure you taught us several sayings at the Kent Tour 😉

 

[Jacko_G]

You've posted on a RULES forum that you are happy to play fast and loose with the rules. You dont need a stop watch to time 3 minutes and a device, phone, watch, egg timer will do.

It has nothing to do with lives at stake and I do drop from knee height.

Yes but is it an accurate drop from knee hight? Are you possibly crouching a wee bit too low thus inadvertently "cheating" the field with your illegal drop?

Devils advocate.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Yes but is it an accurate drop from knee hight? Are you possibly crouching a wee bit too low thus inadvertently "cheating" the field with your illegal drop?

Devils advocate.

But the rules say "knee height", and as they don't stipulate how tall you must be or how long your legs are it is by definition a different height person to person and cannot be an accurate measurement.
3 minutes however are measurable and therefore an exact measurement.

 

[Jacko_G]

But the rules say "knee height", and as they don't stipulate how tall you must be or how long your legs are it is by definition a different height person to person and cannot be an accurate measurement.
3 minutes however are measurable and therefore an exact measurement.

Yip but if you are flexing your knees too much or your ankle then you're dropping from below you're knee height. That would be an illegal drop.

 

[duncan mackie]

But the rules say "knee height", and as they don't stipulate how tall you must be or how long your legs are it is by definition a different height person to person and cannot be an accurate measurement.
3 minutes however are measurable and therefore an exact measurement.

Going further if the ground is sloping you have a wide range of valid knee high drops as you stand in different places relative the point you are dropping on!
The working guidance to refs is very much an approximation with intent being a consideration.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Yip but if you are flexing your knees too much or your ankle then you're dropping from below you're knee height. That would be an illegal drop.

Not neccessariy, your knee isn't a fixed height, and is not just one measurement point from the ground. For example, I would say my knee is about 4 or 5 inches in size, so which oint do you determine to be the reference point?
Have you also factored in what shoes you are wearing and how thick the soles or your socks are as well?

 

[Jacko_G]

Not neccessariy, your knee isn't a fixed height, and is not just one measurement point from the ground. For example, I would say my knee is about 4 or 5 inches in size, so which oint do you determine to be the reference point?
Have you also factored in what shoes you are wearing and how thick the soles or your socks are as well?

Your own knee height is your own knee height, by flexing your ankle you effectively lower the dropping height.

😁

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Your own knee height is your own knee height, by flexing your ankle you effectively lower the dropping height.

😁

But what point on kmy knee is the reference point?

 

[Wolf]

All I know is at my tall height of 5 and half feet with an inside leg of 27inches when it comes to drops I have an advantage 😂😂

 

[Jacko_G]

But what point on kmy knee is the reference point?

The same reference point that says you are in the general area and the search/stop clock has started.

 

[chrisd]

Yes but is it an accurate drop from knee hight? Are you possibly crouching a wee bit too low thus inadvertently "cheating" the field with your illegal drop?

Devils advocate.

Cant squat with my 2 replaced hips 👍

 

[Imurg]

Cant squat with my 2 replaced hips 👍

So how do you cra........Oh, you're not a bear in the woods are you....

 

[chrisd]

So how do you cra........Oh, you're not a bear in the woods are you....

Well......... most of the time at Forest Pines I was 🤫

 

[Colin L]

If a tree falls in a forest and nobody hears it, does it make a sound? For a rule break to occur that has to be some acknowledgement that a rule has been broken, surely you understand that? So if the player believes he found the ball inside 3 minutes, and his FCs believe that to be the case also, all parties are satisfied, and everyone gets on with their lives. To bring an extra level of clinicality to it as you suggest just seems awfully unnecessary to me.

We are in the physical world of people on golf courses not a metaphysics tutorial so spare us the trees falling in a forest. The bolded statement is just plain wrong. A rule break occurs because something has happened which is against the rules. It may go unnoticed by the player, by other players, by spectators etc but the event has occurred.

I am sorry that my efforts to explain the rules in this regard have been unsuccessful and sorrier still that they have been met in part by mockery and in one instance by insult. That's not common in this forum and i hope it will stay uncommon.

 

[garyinderry]

Has there been an increase in the number of lost balls across the tours. Surely this would be the case with less time available to find it.

Does anyone know the stats for this up to this point in the year?


For those that watch alot of live golf. Have they noticed the caddies using stop watches a calling the 3 mins. This might be more obvious on the European tour where there is less of a crowd to find the ball.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

This discussion tells me that now that we only have 3min to search and find our ball it is probably best that I have some form of timer with me. With 5mins I think I could tell when I had just about done my time.

But 3mins goes quickly - especially if I am not exactly sure - say - which gorse bush my ball is in but I know it is in a gorse bush. I start by looking in the one I think it is in and if it is not there may be quite a lot of walking between bushes - and the walking time between bushes counts as part of my three minutes even if I know that my ball is not going to be where I am walking and I am not actually searching. I don't start and stop my watch at every bush. The walking between counts and eats up search time.

 

[Jacko_G]

Personally I think it tells us common sense is out the window.

 

[rulefan]

I think I have made this observation before but in my experience of refereeing, players tended to give up searching after 2 to 3 minutes. They figured if they couldn't find it in that time, it would not be in place where they could make a decent shot. Of course they would have played a decent provisional.

 

[user2010]

Personally, I think it tells us that inadvertent cheating is getting more common.