Had you read Mr Carter's piece before posting that? https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/golf/55890260
You are right. It's like the footballer who dives.
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You are right. It's like the footballer who dives.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
He says “he’s under scrutiny even though he hasn’t broken the rules”
That to me shows it’s a bad rule change and even the tour ref knows this.
In theory I could deem every second shot plugged and drop without even telling my op.
How many times would he let me do this before he intervened.
All within the rules, it’s a bad rule and needs sorting out.
sweaty sock
Hacker
What seals it for me is why ask if it bounced? If you cant tell that a ball is plugged, then its not plugged.
Rory didnt ask if it bounced, just saw it was embedded, asked his playing partners if they wanted to check, then took relief.
Reed, asked if it had bounce, in my view to see how likely it was he'd get away with it, then had to ask a rules official over to check if there was even a plug mark?
Rory didnt ask if it bounced, just saw it was embedded, asked his playing partners if they wanted to check, then took relief.
Reed, asked if it had bounce, in my view to see how likely it was he'd get away with it, then had to ask a rules official over to check if there was even a plug mark?
Sports_Fanatic
Assistant Pro
We just don't know as the camera clip was just catching up with Rory at the time (he was already over the ball inspecting it). In his interview he said "the information Partick had at the time, and the information I had at the time is that the ball hadn't bounced" so presumably that info came from someone unless he's just referring to not having it seen it bounce from distance through the trees and then it's just strange phrasing as you'd say i didn't see it bounce.
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That could be a case of Rory not taking enough care to ensure he was complying with the rules or worse still indifference. Particularly as his ball also bounced.
Whereas Reed could be said to be making certain that his actions were OK.
Blue in Munich
Crocked Professional Yeti Impersonator
If he was seriously bothered about that he'd have left the ball where it was until the referee gets there. Smacks more of a man trying to give a veneer of respectability to his actions to me.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
As one hits a golf ball many yards into the air, I think the question most people would ask is " Has it plugged" rather than "did it bounce"..
After all, hitting it 30 yards in the air one would expect it to come down again.
At the end of the day we're clutching at straws
Only he knows what's really happened
My final take on it is that there seem to be enough people at the sharp end of the game who are not happy with the situation to give me doubts that what he did was 100% above board.
Like it or not, the scrutiny has ramped up a notch or 2.
After all, hitting it 30 yards in the air one would expect it to come down again.
At the end of the day we're clutching at straws
Only he knows what's really happened
My final take on it is that there seem to be enough people at the sharp end of the game who are not happy with the situation to give me doubts that what he did was 100% above board.
Like it or not, the scrutiny has ramped up a notch or 2.
JonnyGutteridge
Newbie
Always found the Reed dislike a bit odd. People often desperately try to justify their dislike for him by bringing up his personal life, but they are obsessed with Tiger Woods who is by those standards a terrible human being.
As for the rules transgressions, I don’t believe he did much wrong in this situation, the clip showing that the ball bounced is quite meaningless as none of the players saw it happen? I think the rules official comes off in a worse light.
You only need to watch the golf on TV weekly to see that every pro golfer is bending the rules to the maximum, they take relief from almost anything and walk all over the rules officials.
As for the rules transgressions, I don’t believe he did much wrong in this situation, the clip showing that the ball bounced is quite meaningless as none of the players saw it happen? I think the rules official comes off in a worse light.
You only need to watch the golf on TV weekly to see that every pro golfer is bending the rules to the maximum, they take relief from almost anything and walk all over the rules officials.
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Not necessarily.
The rules permit the player to lift his ball to confirm, or otherwise, if the plane of the surface had been broken.
Having done so he then called upon the referee to make his judgement.
The referee could, at that stage, have instructed him to return the ball to its original position which Reed had correctly marked.
Rory, on the other hand, decided his assessment was correct and did not call a referee. Again as permitted by the rules.
Crow
Crow Person
Here's the full feed.
garyinderry
Ryder Cup Winner
Reed walked to that ball with the intention of getting relief.
Why ask did it bounce?
Why ask did it bounce?
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If you, your caddy, your two playing partners and their caddies never saw it bounce on a course that was, after very heavy rain soft it might be reasonable to assume that you were likely to find your ball embedded.
You could as easily ask why McIlroy didn't ask those nearby if his ball had bounced.
Was he approaching his ball with the intention of taking a free drop, regardless?
Blue in Munich
Crocked Professional Yeti Impersonator
The reason they never saw it bounce is because they couldn't see it bounce, as the camera shot showed; very different to never saw it bounce because they couldn't see the point of bounce. He also very nicely twists the marshal's "I didn't see it bounce" into "She said it didn't bounce".
Stuff like that doesn't help his cause for me.
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Must just be me but there were two similar incidents and, to me the Reed incident was the less disturbing.
JonnyGutteridge
Newbie
Because it rained a lot and parts of the course were therefore very wet, including that area. I imagine he could feel it under foot, and naturally you'd suspect (having not seen your ball bounce) that it may not have bounced.
garyinderry
Ryder Cup Winner
He was walking along a path. Haha
I have no clue what he was doing. When checking to see if a ball is embedded you are usually very careful not to disturb the area around the ball. He sticks a tee in and lifts the ball in his right hand, then seemingly pokes about with that hand. Decideds he needs a rules official before going at the area again with the ball in his hand. Then leaves the ball well away from the scene.
Very suspicious behaviour at the very least.
Blue in Munich
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Damn sight less suspicious than Rory who did it so quickly there was no chance of anyone checking his actions.
garyinderry
Ryder Cup Winner
I'm not entirely convinced by rory either. There isnt the same amount of video available on how he conducted himself.
He seemed fairly convinced it was an embedded ball. Called it as such. Reed needed a refs opinion.
Rory's playing partners really should be made to protect the field to confirm what he says.
The rules are silly and open to abuse.
Maybe both balls did break the ground on the 2nd bounce. I'm not so sure.
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