Zero Net Immigration

[Doon frae Troon]

I think there's a lot of media hysteria about immigration. I was quite surprised at what the nett figure for immigration is. The country isn't filling up that quickly and politicians are quite happy not to quote the correct figures because that would mean one of their excuses for the country's woe's is actually a load of rolex.

Sadly, the brain drain is an issue but, again, its not as bad as is made out.

Thank you Hobbit, you posted my exact thoughts.
A couple of years ago Scotland dropped below 5 million for the first time in modern history. It is now filling up nicely, mainly working Eastern Europeans and retired English.

 

[vkurup]

Not to worried about the size of the population. Believe that if you want to come to this country you should have something to offer or be skilled.

Agree... there should be a minimum handicap for anyone who wants to come in.. :ears:

 

[vkurup]

To say we can achieve Net Zero migration sounds good as a electoral promise but it is just bonkers.. Lets take a step back.

Inward immigration is a good sign. It is a sign that people from other parts of the world think that they see a future in the UK. No self respecting economic immigrant wants to move to another country to be on benefits. They would want to be economically independent but will always have a need to support people ‘back home’. In the UK, we dream about ‘escaping’ to Aus or US or somewhere nice, but not relocating to any 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] world country, why? Its because we think we will have a better ‘quality of life’; ditto with inward immigrants. They see a better life here

Do we need more immigrates... yes. Let me caveat, we need skilled immigrants who can pay taxes, obey the law and be part of society. If not for anything, I have a very selfish reason. As the population (read you and me) gets old, we need the young to take care of us by paying taxes and being productive. If you look at Japan, the aging population is skewing society as the ‘productive workforce’ is not being replaced at a healthy rate. The language is a barrier to immigration too. Already, we have raised the pension age to fill the deficit, and I don’t think I will ever get a chance to retire unless we get more young ones off their backside and into work and pay taxes.

The UK is also in a unique place due to EU. A wider ‘floating population’ can become part of the workforce, but still not contribute a 100% to the economy. While non-EU migrants have to prove that they can go thru a point based system to get visas, EU migrants don’t have to. As English is widely spoken, the UK also gets a lot of interest from migrants (unlike say Japan). A few years ago, Aus and NZ were actively inviting people from Asia to move down under (if they qualified via a point system)
In many ways, I am more worried about people leaving the UK. Over the past couple of years, I know a few friends – all economically well established here who have been in the UK for over a decade and have six figure pension pots – pack their bags and move back to India. Do they think they have a better future in India rather the UK? Why? Besides the weather, why do people want to Aus?

Sorry, might sound like a rant..

 

[MegaSteve]

No self respecting economic immigrant wants to move to another country to be on benefits. They would want to be economically independent but will always have a need to support people ‘back home’.

Then make them prove thats the case BEFORE they get here NOT when they are already being housed and cosseted at our expense...

Get sick and tired about hearing of the "lazy British worker"... Total and utter cobblers... Vast majority just need to be given a chance which they won't get whilst we are overfull with migrant workers...

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

It is now filling up nicely, mainly working Eastern Europeans and retired English.

Who'll all get a vote in the Scottish Referendum of 2014 (see Referendum post for my views on this if you care - I won't clog up this thread).

Immigration in itself is no bad thing - but ask anyone in Aldershot what they think of a certain Ms Joanna Lumley now that the town is chocka with Nepalese - she won't be showing her face there for a long time.

 

[SocketRocket]

Do we need more immigrates... yes. Let me caveat, we need skilled immigrants who can pay taxes, obey the law and be part of society.

Surely we have enough in the country already that can either do this or be trained. If the problem is they dont want to work and pay taxes then we should be dealing with this rather than letting people in so they can stay at home on benifits.

If these people have been trained and educated by their home Nation surely they should be working to makethat a better place to live in.

 

[JustOne]

Get sick and tired about hearing of the "lazy British worker"... Total and utter cobblers... Vast majority just need to be given a chance which they won't get whilst we are overfull with migrant workers...

After putting 2 building jobs on a well known website to get 'quotations' and not receiving a single one I'm beginning to wonder if anyone really wants/needs to make any money. There can't be a recession if people can't even be bothered to quote!

Also not sure just how productive we are as a nation, is getting p*ssed, fighting and smashing up our town centers the way forward?... or is it the migrants doing all that stuff?

 

[vkurup]

Then make them prove thats the case BEFORE they get here NOT when they are already being housed and cosseted at our expense... .

Agree... I think the point based visa system for non-EU migrants does that (unless i have read it incorrectly).. you have to provide proof that u can work/are working in order to get in.

Get sick and tired about hearing of the "lazy British worker"... Total and utter cobblers... Vast majority just need to be given a chance which they won't get whilst we are overfull with migrant workers...

Agree.. but it works both ways, we need to get the workers/young to see that it is better to work than be on the dole. Unfortunately, we are being blighted by a generation of kids who live in households with no working adult. I think the ONS figures was about 2 million kids in this situation. What values will they inherit. Our generation grew up in working households that has seen parents grind it out and hence we feel very strongly about work (or those who shy away).

Beyond Britian, the world is getting flatter, and whatever we do internally, will not save us from the rising tide of the East. China, Brazil, India are now home to young who want to get out and do stuff. Our young need to compete with them. Or as Obama advised school kids in the US,
"Of course, that means all of you all have got to hit the books, I'm just saying," Obama said, according to a White House transcript. "That's part of the bargain — America says we will give you opportunity, but you've got to earn your success."
"You're competing against young people in Beijing and Bangalore. They're not hanging out. They're not getting over. They're not playing video games. They're not watching 'Real Housewives.' I'm just saying. It's a two-way street. You've got to earn success."

QED.

 

[vkurup]

Surely we have enough in the country already that can either do this or be trained. If the problem is they dont want to work and pay taxes then we should be dealing with this rather than letting people in so they can stay at home on benifits.

If these people have been trained and educated by their home Nation surely they should be working to makethat a better place to live in.

Yup, the theory is that they are trained fellas, so shld be able to work. Also, if my info is right, non-EU economic migrants dont have access to benefits either, since this breaches their visa conditions. So interesting to see how they have access to social housing!!!

BTW, my info may be out of date

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Are you concerned with the size of the British population. Should we have a zero annual net immigration policy?

Myślę, że przepisy imigracyjne są świetne

 

[SocketRocket]

Yup, the theory is that they are trained fellas, so shld be able to work. Also, if my info is right, non-EU economic migrants dont have access to benefits either, since this breaches their visa conditions. So interesting to see how they have access to social housing!!!

BTW, my info may be out of date

I was refering to existing British people being trained rather than staying at home on benifits.

 

[vkurup]

I was refering to existing British people being trained rather than staying at home on benifits.

Oops.. in that case, i will ignore and get over it

 

[cookelad]

Got to say that after spending 6 months unemployed a couple of years back - the 3 times I did go to collect the old rock'n'roll I was surrounded by Brits that were literally multiplying before my eyes - the 4/5 seat pram can only be a matter of time! - and maybe I'm being judgmental but none looked as if they wanted to work.

 

[SocketRocket]

Got to say that after spending 6 months unemployed a couple of years back - the 3 times I did go to collect the old rock'n'roll I was surrounded by Brits that were literally multiplying before my eyes - the 4/5 seat pram can only be a matter of time! - and maybe I'm being judgmental but none looked as if they wanted to work.

There does seem to be a lot of young (should I mention Obese) mothers around these days. I cant think of many problems that would not be eased by reducing the population.

 

[vkurup]

There does seem to be a lot of young (should I mention Obese) mothers around these days.

(Sweeping generalisation alert) Unfortunately too many think being young and knocked up should give you the right to have keys to social housing. We need to change that. The dream ticket seems to be made of being spotted on xfactor, BGT or something and then landing a footy player.

I see some bright young 20 yr old at work, they are really good and want to get ahead. I wish we had more of such kids. We just taken a lot of new grads & we make a lot of investment in them. the work is tough, but i hope they will stick around and learn. It is only good for us in the long term.

 

[MegaSteve]

After putting 2 building jobs on a well known website to get 'quotations' and not receiving a single one I'm beginning to wonder if anyone really wants/needs to make any money. There can't be a recession if people can't even be bothered to quote!

Not sure I'd want to employ a builder without a reccommendation... When I wanted to get some work done last year as soon as my planning application was in place I was getting unsolicited offers of quotes... Any decent builder doesn't need to advertise or tout for business in my opinion... I had to join a queue last year to get my work done!


A good friend is a kitchen/bathroom fitter... Been earning a good income recently remedying a lot of the work done when it was a good idea to employ 'tradesmen' from east europe!

 

[coolhand]

"No workie - no money" - Simples!

 

[SocketRocket]

(Sweeping generalisation alert)

There does seem to be a lot of young (should I mention Obese) mothers around these days. I cant think of many problems that would not be eased by reducing the population.

Not really a sweeping generalisation, I didn't say 'all' mothers are young or obese, only a lot of them. Maybe they are only around in the paces I go.

 

[walshawwhippet]

If they don't have any work, they should be forced to live in port talbot, where housing is cheap.

Surely "cruel and unusual punishment" as outlined by the Geneva convention?

 

[6inchcup]

being laid up and house bound these last few weeks i have resorted to watching daytime tv and there is a prog called passport patrol that is about customs in australia bloody hell its as if they don't want anyone going there,no second chances if they don't want you its locked up overnight then back on a plane to were you came from no asilume or the like,fines for food brought in and if you have a criminal record forget it,why cant we be more like this instead of letting any one in rapists robbers etc all seem to come here from eastern europe and nothing gets done,close the borders to only genuine people who already have employment here before the climb on the plane/ferry.