Yes Another Thread On New Ball Flight Laws.

[MadAdey]

Just want to say thanx to the people on here that opened my eyes to the new ball flight laws, especially JustOne :thup:. It really has opened my eyes up. This is not a thread to discuss if they are crap or not.

Chatting at work on Wednesday with a lad who just goes out for a knock at the local muni with his mates (so was never going to pay for lessons) and he said about how he can't hit his driver straight to save his life, but hits his 3-wood really well. I asked him what was happening when he struck the ball. He told me and straight away I knew he had an in-out swing with a clubface open to his swing path. I ended up giving him a lesson sat at my desk using a post-it pad and a pencil with a piece of paper fixed to it. In the end I told him to try and swing more upright and move his left hand round to the right more.

Well he came into work yesterday and could not believe what had happened. He had gone to the range to have a go and all of a sudden he could hit the driver with a lot more accuracy. He said he still hit it a bit left to right, but was not having to aim miles out to the left to get it to come back down the middle. Now I am shocked as much as anyone. How could I give a mate a few hints sat at my desk that actually worked? I was a doubter and thought these new ball flight laws are a load of old crap, until I started to understand them a few months ago. What I have realised is by understanding what is happening in the swing with relation to the flight of the ball, you can visualise what the persons swing looks like. So then you can have an idea on what is going wrong.

Cheers to those who ground me into the ground and forced me to understand them..........:cheers:

 

[Smiffy]

Did you give him a putting lesson too????
:whoo:

 

[MadAdey]

Did you give him a putting lesson too????:whoo:

Cheeky git!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LOL I will send him your way if he needs to learn how to drain them from 10 foot

 

[JustOne]

You're welcome MadAdey.... although what's all this talk about Smiffy and putts going in???

Don't say you witnessed the ONE day in his life when he holed a few?

 

[CMAC]

it probably should be called the Correct ball flight laws as opposed to the new ones

 

[MadAdey]

You're welcome MadAdey.... although what's all this talk about Smiffy and putts going in???Don't say you witnessed the ONE day in his life when he holed a few?

The cheeky old fart did hole a few good ones around the turn to give them the advantage.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Adey

Sorry to pee on your bonfire but from what you have said in your OP, I don't think you do understand the 'laws'

If your pal is swinging the club on an in to out path then the ball will start off going to the right. Where it goes from there will depend on the angle of the clubface at impact. If the clubface is closed he will hit a draw/hook and if it is open he will hit a block or fade.

If he was having to aim miles to the left for the ball to fade back to the middle of the fairway then he is swinging on an out to in path.

 

[JustOne]

Adey

Sorry to pee on your bonfire but from what you have said in your OP, I don't think you do understand the 'laws'

If your pal is swinging the club on an in to out path then the ball will start off going to the right. Where it goes from there will depend on the angle of the clubface at impact. If the clubface is closed he will hit a draw/hook and if it is open he will hit a block or fade.

You're killing me!

:thup:

 

[Region3]

If your pal is swinging the club on an in to out path then the ball will start off going to the right. Where it goes from there will depend on the angle of the clubface at impact.

 

[bobmac]

If your pal is swinging the club on an in to out path then the ball will start off going to the right. Where it goes from there will depend on the angle of the clubface at impact. If the clubface is closed he will hit a draw/hook and if it is open he will hit a block or fade.

I'm sorry to say it's actually the other way round.
The club face largely determines the initial direction and the swing path gives it the side spin.

 

[john0]

Surely someone must have some diagrams that they could use to explain these ball flight laws?

 

[MadAdey]

AdeySorry to pee on your bonfire but from what you have said in your OP, I don't think you do understand the 'laws' If your pal is swinging the club on an in to out path then the ball will start off going to the right. Where it goes from there will depend on the angle of the clubface at impact. If the clubface is closed he will hit a draw/hook and if it is open he will hit a block or fade. If he was having to aim miles to the left for the ball to fade back to the middle of the fairway then he is swinging on an out to in path.

If I have got this wrong then I do appologise. But from what I understand if you swing the club on an in to out swing path and the clubface is then open to that swing path, then the ball is going to start right and fade even further right due to the side spin that is imparted. Well lets put it another way then, his right hand was not correct when I got him to grip a broom handle, he moved it round to the left to try and get the club face to not be open to the swing path at impact. He came back to me and said that he was hitting the ball and it was starting to the right but then drawing back. I got him to swing a club at work today and he is coming seriously in to out. But by getting his left hand in a better position it is now going a lot better.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

If I have got this wrong then I do appologise. But from what I understand if you swing the club on an in to out swing path and the clubface is then open to that swing path, then the ball is going to start right and fade even further right due to the side spin that is imparted.

Yes, absolutely correct. :thup:

 

[MadAdey]

just looked up a very good picture to show the ball flight laws. So not to pee on your bonfire in return drive4show, check out the push-slice. The in to out with face open like I said my mate was doing. starts right then goes right. So I think it is you who does not understand these new laws.............

 

[JustOne]

That pic isn't right Adey... it looks like the descriptions ARE CORRECT at a glance but the smaller pics are wrong,...

eg: A push hook doesn't have a clubface pointing LEFT of the target line as per the pic... it wouldn't be a push as it'd start big time left and hook viciously.

 

[SGC001]

Adey

Sorry to pee on your bonfire but from what you have said in your OP, I don't think you do understand the 'laws'

If your pal is swinging the club on an in to out path then the ball will start off going to the right. Where it goes from there will depend on the angle of the clubface at impact. If the clubface is closed he will hit a draw/hook and if it is open he will hit a block or fade.

If he was having to aim miles to the left for the ball to fade back to the middle of the fairway then he is swinging on an out to in path.

Subject to your aim and 1 or 2 other assumptions it seems about right for non extreme clubface positions, where clubface overide would occur.

basically pushes, draws and hooks under plane, pulls, fades and slices over plane.

Yes the ball is starting at aobut 80% of clubface aim, but the swing paths are in to out with pushes, draws and hooks and out to in for pulls, slices and fades. It's so easy to overlook this as the 'new' ball flight laws don't change it.

The pull hooks and push slices can occur off any swing path.

 

[MadAdey]

That pic isn't right Adey... it looks like the descriptions ARE CORRECT at a glance but the smaller pics are wrong,...eg: A push hook doesn't have a clubface pointing LEFT of the target line as per the pic... it wouldn't be a push as it'd start big time left and hook viciously.

Just had look back at the pic James. Yes you are right........ as usual....... the pics are a little bit wrong but the descriptions are correct. I think the pics are a little bit extreme to emphasise the position of the clubface in relation to the swing path...

 

[JustOne]

Just had look back at the pic James. Yes you are right........ as usual.......

I could get to like you...... even with that knobby hat!

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

I'm sorry to say it's actually the other way round.
The club face largely determines the initial direction and the swing path gives it the side spin.

bob...surely the other way round? Obviously both are interlinked but I would have thought that swing path determines direction and clubface angle determins spin?

But, I did leave school in 1977, maybe the last Labour government change the laws of physics without letting anyone know

 

[john0]

bob...surely the other way round? Obviously both are interlinked but I would have thought that swing path determines direction and clubface angle determins spin?

But, I did leave school in 1977, maybe the last Labour government change the laws of physics without letting anyone know

Technology has advanced a little bit since 1977 and proved otherwise im afraid