Wrist action through shot

[the_coach]

if the OP was used to 'handle dragging' into & through impact (often something done mistakenly to try to 'hold onto' 'lag')

could well be that an offered teaching fix to introduce a feeling of the clubhead overtaking the hands as a drill feel to help lose the 'handle drag' might be utilized as a part of a couple of other thoughts/feels that would also be introduced to help provide a longer term overall fix

a roll over flip type release presents the difficulty of a real fast rate of face closure so only hundredths of a second when the face angle could be in reasonable co-ordination with the path to give real workable shot results as the toe is overtaking the heel real quick

possible too in folks swing motions to be 'feeling' (though feel to real often times bunch unreliable) a roll over release is happening real quick when that real closure rate 'speed' may not be the case so still hit fades especially if the hands are also rising up some at impact

also it's possible that the face is a still real good ways open coming down into the impact zone so it doesn't shut down until after the strike - with all this kinda stuff goin down it for sure real possible to hit a good bunch of differing unwanted outcomes from right to lefts through sockets to leaving it way out rightfield

as it all also depends how the vertical angle of the shaft is being delivered
as well as face angle & dynamic loft a whole bunch important is the dynamic lie being delivered - plus just where on the face contact is anyways

trouble that present itself with all of this roll over &/or flip release is that it relies a ways to heavily on being able to repeatedly hit the ball in that very small 'time window' of opportunity when the face angle isn't too open or too closed and as near as possible to center face which in itself is a bunch more difficult to do if the face angle is open or closed - so why the period when this kinda release pattern method tends to 'work' with any consistency is only for real short bursts of time

 

[Tashyboy]

hold both arms just relaxed in front of you palms facing thumbs pointing up (assuming rh golfer)
with the left hand move your wrist only to point the thumb back towards you then with the wrist only move it back back to straight relaxed where it started from and then just past a tad so wrist feels stretched little ways

that first motion thumb back to towards you is how the lead wrist moves when it sets in the backswing
the second motion on moving back and a fraction past where it started is what happen at impact when the lead wrist 'releases'
this is the motion that helps to square the face up and produce optimum chs

go back to the very start position both arms relaxed out in front but this time with the right hand/wrist don't make the motion you just did with the lead (left) hand/wrist but instead hinge the right hand back on itself so the palm starts to face away from you that's the motion the right hand/wrist makes in the backswing but then coming into impact there's still some of that hinge angle remaining at strike and right hand/wrist doesn't get back to straight inline with the right forearm until the follow through after the strike

the movement the lead (left) hand/wrist makes in 'setting' and 'releasing' is exactly the same as if you had a hammer in the left hand and were making the motion with the hand only to tap a nail in

Cheers coach I think I have got that and will try it next time at the range, some of it especially the left hand sounds like what I was told at Ping, the right hand I was told to just lock in. This new grip with driver and woods has got me hitting it straighter.
Another problem is when I try to "smash" a drive I tend to grip the club too tight which stops me using my wrists.

 

[bobmac]

I had a tendency to lead too much with my hands and arms, so sometimes the club head got a bit left behind and on a too much in to out swing path. At best this caused a slight draw or a block to the right. At worst a shank or a complete miss-hit. Allowing my wrists to turn over gives a more straight through swing path.

A fade to me is a shot that starts left of the target and finishes on target.
Would you agree?

 

[delc]

A fade to me is a shot that starts left of the target and finishes on target.
Would you agree?

The point of this thread was that I found a fix for my chipping, and also for my tendency to block or occasionally shank full shots. I was sometimes getting ahead of the club head with my arms and hands. Just allowing my wrists to turn over naturally as I go through the ball seems to improve matters, but I am not forcing them to roll.

 

[delc]

The point of this thread was that I found a fix for my chipping, and also for my tendency to block or occasionally shank full shots. I was sometimes getting ahead of the club head with my arms and hands. Just allowing my wrists to turn over naturally as I go through the ball seems to improve matters, but I am not forcing them to roll.

P.S. I am hitting the ball about 10 yards further with every club now, because I am releasing through the ball properly,

 

[Deleted member 21258]

P.S. I am hitting the ball about 10 yards further with every club now, because I am releasing through the ball properly,

Upto last winter, I have always swung quite armsy and always swung back with the clubface looking at the ball and this I found enable me to hit a very straight ball(whether pull, push, straight straight, was another matter!).


However over winter during speed training, I went to a more normal swing back and the clubface moving to a nearly an upright position of the clubhead at waist height. This meant that on the way down, I had to release/roll the whole forearm the club aggressively when compared to previous and I found out that by doing that I gained about 3-4 mph on swings in comparison to not doing that.

However, I was not in control at all of the ball/clubface and depending on ball placement and release, the ball could move left or right with vicious spin without me knowing what was coming.

What I found out when I took a video of myself, was that the clubface was still very open at waist height and below, and the clubface closure rate from my right foot to left foot, was mental, no wonder I was having a lot of problems.

About 2-3 weeks ago, I decided to stop the speed training for this year and concentrating on playing golf, as a result I reverted back to my clubface looking at the ball on the backswing technique with no aggressive forearm rotation though the ball and instantly my ball flight is basically straight again or a fade, on normal good swings. Clearly I still get bad shots, but they are only 2-3 in a round rather than the 10 odd that I was getting before.

 

[Foxholer]

The point of this thread was that I found a fix for my chipping, and also for my tendency to block or occasionally shank full shots. I was sometimes getting ahead of the club head with my arms and hands. Just allowing my wrists to turn over naturally as I go through the ball seems to improve matters, but I am not forcing them to roll.

Have a read of this then!

http://www.golfmadesimple.com/pastnewsletters/wrists-or-no-wrists-when-chipping

And there are hundreds on how to release the club-head properly (and 'naturally') in the full swing (which you may have figured out - after decades!! - for yourself!).

 

[patricks148]

Smiffy is your man for Wrist action!

 

[delc]

For those who think I am barking up the wrong tree, I played beautifully in a seniors medal on Thursday and scored 3 under my handicap, earning a handicap reduction from 13 to 12. 😎

 

[ScienceBoy]

For those who think I am barking up the wrong tree, I played beautifully in a seniors medal on Thursday and scored 3 under my handicap, earning a handicap reduction from 13 to 12. 😎

No pictures (or videos) on the scorecard!

 

[delc]

No pictures (or videos) on the scorecard!

You won't get a good score like that without playing some good shots. BTW I got round our course which has a lot of very deep rough and several water hazards without losing a ball. 😀

 

[One Planer]

Swallow does make summer not one a.

Rearrange the above to a popular phrase.

I'm glad it's working Del :thup:

Make hay while it lasts.

 

[delc]

Swallow does make summer not one a.

Rearrange the above to a popular phrase.

I'm glad it's working Del :thup:

Make hay while it lasts.

I should add that I haven't scored less than 30 points and won 3 matches since I changed my swing. 😀

 

[JustOne]

If it works for you then carry on.

I don't like the thought of the wrists rolling.... I mean exactly WHEN do you do it?

If you do it before you hit the ball then the club face is closed.... if you do it after you hit the ball then what's the point?? the ball has already gone.

It is possible to do it, after all Mickelson has quite a pronounced rolling of the wrists after he has hit the ball and he does alright, but doing it just for the sake of it seems a bit strange, once the ball is hit you could literally let go of the grip if you like and lob the club down the fairway, it would change nothing.

 

[Maninblack4612]

From what you've said in the past about your swing it sounds to me as if you're correcting a fault with another fault. I have a similar problem, revealed (again) by my last lesson. I take it back & come down much too much on the inside & flip the wrists to bring the face back square. When timed right it works great but if the timing is off I'm all over the place. With the swingpath more on the outside I can swing down hard with quiet hands. The wrists don't roll at all & stay in the same relationship with the forearms during the downswing. When I get it right the result is never worse than a slight push or pull. If I forget, & roll the wrists, I get a horrendous duck hook. Feels very strange Swinging this way but looks much more orthodox.