World Cup Failure Across All 3 Sports

[GB72]

I know that there is a wider sporting spectrum than Cricket, Football and Rugby but for many they are the main 3.

By the end of the year it is entirely possible that England will have failed to get past the group stages at all 3 World Cups. We have already failed at football and cricket and with a tough qualifying group that will spell disappointment or 1 'big' team, an exit at the group stages at the rugby world cup is not impossible.

All in all, pretty depressing really

 

[Tongo]

In truth, i think it'll only be the Rugby where it will be a major disappointment. England are so far behind the major nations at Football and Cricket that it isnt much of a surprise.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Part of the problem is that we expect to excel in all sports. We spread ourselves too thinly. Most countries specialise or excel in just a few sports. We try near enough every sport. Great fun to participate in but it does mean you are spreading the talent pool very thinly. Perhaps our expectations are simply too high?

Personally I am slightly old fashioned, although not old. I don't judge our cricket team by its one day performance. A cricket team is judged via test cricket, not 20/20 or one day. I would like us to do better in the short form but test cricket is the real way to look at a team.

 

[Tongo]

Part of the problem is that we expect to excel in all sports. We spread ourselves too thinly. Most countries specialise or excel in just a few sports. We try near enough every sport. Great fun to participate in but it does mean you are spreading the talent pool very thinly. Perhaps our expectations are simply too high?

Personally I am slightly old fashioned, although not old. I don't judge our cricket team by its one day performance. A cricket team is judged via test cricket, not 20/20 or one day. I would like us to do better in the short form but test cricket is the real way to look at a team.

Australia and New Zealand both compete at the highest level in cricket and Rugby despite having lesser populations. In any case, sport is never about population numbers. Its about skill and application and how kids are taught the game. England are too staid and negative in their tactics, preferring dependable players over talented, yet unpredictable equivalents.

As for judging by test cricket, England are one of the major nations in cricket and people, quite rightly, expect them to at least be competitive in the major events across all 3 formats. The 'we're ok at tests' ethos doesnt wash for me. Other nations manage to compete on all 3 fronts.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Yes, but they do not necessarily play at other sports that we compete in. Australia punch above their weight to be fair, sport obsessed, but outside of rugby New Zealand are bog average or poor at most other sports. They currently have a good one day cricket team but that goes in cycles. We try to be good at everything and we are not big enough to manage that.

Play a test series of 3 games, England v Australia, football, cricket and rugby. My money would be on England for most of those. Don't forget it is only the last Ashes cricket we lost. Before that we had been on a good run.

 

[CMAC]

I know that there is a wider sporting spectrum than Cricket, Football and Rugby but for many they are the main 3.

By the end of the year it is entirely possible that England will have failed to get past the group stages at all 3 World Cups. We have already failed at football and cricket and with a tough qualifying group that will spell disappointment or 1 'big' team, an exit at the group stages at the rugby world cup is not impossible.

All in all, pretty depressing really

Try being a Scottish supporter :angry: we're used to it

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It's no real surprise with the football and cricket

Everything from top to bottom is wrong

The rugby is doing ok and will be in with a shout for the next world cup

 

[FairwayDodger]

Personally I am slightly old fashioned, although not old. I don't judge our cricket team by its one day performance. A cricket team is judged via test cricket, not 20/20 or one day. I would like us to do better in the short form but test cricket is the real way to look at a team.

How's that working out?

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Better than in the one day format.

There is no doubt we are on a downward trend in terms of test cricket but we comfortably beat India last summer and I fancy us against the W.Indies which starts shortly. We were mullered by the Aussies last winter but that was after a good run against them previously. I would put us third in terms of test cricket, behind S.Africa and Australia, at the moment. We certainly not in the top 3 of one day cricket.

 

[Hacker Khan]

I know that there is a wider sporting spectrum than Cricket, Football and Rugby but for many they are the main 3.

By the end of the year it is entirely possible that England will have failed to get past the group stages at all 3 World Cups. We have already failed at football and cricket and with a tough qualifying group that will spell disappointment or 1 'big' team, an exit at the group stages at the rugby world cup is not impossible.

All in all, pretty depressing really

Hey, not to worry as all the money from Sky will sort this out.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

England teams and coaches, across the board, always seem to have a fear of losing about them and seldom seem to let rip.
Glorious defeat, as perfected by Scotland, is no bad thing.

I remember watching a brilliant Germany v England game about 20 years ago.
Both teams played really well in a skillful exciting game which Germany won by a late goal.
Reading the press and watching the TV pundits rip the team to pieces the following day was very sad and unfair.

 

[TheDiablo]

Better than in the one day format.

There is no doubt we are on a downward trend in terms of test cricket but we comfortably beat India last summer and I fancy us against the W.Indies which starts shortly. We were mullered by the Aussies last winter but that was after a good run against them previously. I would put us third in terms of test cricket, behind S.Africa and Australia, at the moment. We certainly not in the top 3 of one day cricket.

We're miles behind the top 2 though, which wasn't the case 2-3 years ago. IMHO we're also behind NZ, and would lose to both India and SL away from home, probably Pakistan as well with Ajmal (but would beat all at home over 3+ tests). So I would say we are at best 4th, and much much closer to 7th than 2nd.

So really not that great at all - although as you say Tyrion still better than 1 day!

 

[Hobbit]

The cricket establishment, and selection process is at best poor. Where were Carbury, Ben Stokes and Luke Wright? Why was Morgan not good enough for the squad, yet is good enough to come in as Capt when Cook was dropped? Why was Broad picked immediately after coming back from an injury? As for picking Finn and Bopara...!

Austrailia, New Zealand, South Africa & India manage to pick decent Test sides and migrate most of those players into the World Cup squads. Clueless, hopeless a bl00dy helpless!!

 

[Dan2501]

Luke Wright? You want England to be worse? Luke Wright is not an international player. Never has been, never will be.

 

[Hobbit]

Luke Wright? You want England to be worse? Luke Wright is not an international player. Never has been, never will be.

Suggest you look at his international record, and his Big Bash record. Quite surprising how many records he set for such a poor performer. Its also an impressive scoring record when moved up the order, and he's a decent second string bowler.

 

[Dan2501]

He has an atrocious international record, and although he scores well in domestic cricket, whenever he's stepped up to international level he's failed, especially in recent years. I'd say that's mainly due to his awful technique, which simply has not developed or improved since we first saw him in the International stuff. As for his international record, he averages 20 with the bat in ODi's, and 18.97 in T20's. In the last 2 years he's played 4 ODi's, and managed 6 runs. He played 5 T20i's last year, and averaged 6. He doesn't bowl anymore (didn't bowl once in the Big Bash), and he's no spring chicken at 30. Can't believe anyone would overlook blokes like Billings, Stokes and Vince for someone like Wright. He's so over-rated.

 

[bladeplayer]

I know that there is a wider sporting spectrum than Cricket, Football and Rugby but for many they are the main 3.

By the end of the year it is entirely possible that England will have failed to get past the group stages at all 3 World Cups. We have already failed at football and cricket and with a tough qualifying group that will spell disappointment or 1 'big' team, an exit at the group stages at the rugby world cup is not impossible.

All in all, pretty depressing really

Why tho Greg ?

is it possible the expectation is being set too high ?
Is there a we are England & we should be in last 4 (or so) as a minimum ? who says so tho ?

As an outsider i often wonder why there is so much hype then disappointment in English sport , im not anti England unless they are in direct opposition to us or we need them to lose for us to progress but i often wonder why all the hype & expectation of moderate often mediocre teams ,
Maybe the media are to blame ?

I remember watching a rugby dvd of us winning the grandslam and one of the Irish guys (it was O'Connell, Driscoll, or Heaslip )said the truest thing ever
"when we win we probably are not as good as we are made out to be & when we lose maybe we are not as bad as we are made out to be either "

 

[Farneyman]

Maybe that's just the current level you are at in all those sports.

 

[Pin-seeker]

England will win the Euros,just look at the exciting talent coming through..Barkley,Sterling,Kane,Wilshere....

Anyone else convinced?

 

[Liverbirdie]

Yes, but they do not necessarily play at other sports that we compete in. Australia punch above their weight to be fair, sport obsessed, but outside of rugby New Zealand are bog average or poor at most other sports. They currently have a good one day cricket team but that goes in cycles. We try to be good at everything and we are not big enough to manage that.

Play a test series of 3 games, England v Australia, football, cricket and rugby. My money would be on England for most of those. Don't forget it is only the last Ashes cricket we lost. Before that we had been on a good run.

They have a fair few golfers as well, and also excel at Hockey and netball. Odvan tells me at Beach volleyball,also.