Working out my rough h'cap off the WHS...

[jim8flog]

'Slope' is just completely alien to me. Have absolutely no idea what it means.

Slope is simply a rating that gives you multiplier that is applied to your handicap index.

You may well play off a diiferent handicap off the yellows compared to the whites at your home club even.

 

[jim8flog]

As a very rough guide a did a few of our players and reckoned the general trend will be an increase where I play.

We have just been re-rated and the SSS has gone up a shot on both tees so it is going to be interesting to watch what happens in the interim.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

20 wouldn't be right for me at all though, I don't think. Shouldn't it have some recency bias at least? Three of my recent good rounds have been in the lower 80s, but one of the December rounds which is still in the best 8 was a 91, the joint highest of the 'best 8' - so an eight month ago round is dragging the average up? It seems wrong. I think 16 is a little low for me at the minute because I got a 1.0 exceptional scoring reduction* after the three low rounds I mentioned - but I think 17 or 18 would be accurate. 20 is definitely high.

*will ESRs no longer exist in the new system?


Edit: I mean, a difference of four shots between the two systems just screams something is wrong anyway doesn't it? Maybe more wrong with the way I calculated it than with the system, but still.

I don't know in all honesty. The complications of handicaps, CSS, blah blah etc just hurt my head. I turn up, hit my shots, fill in my card, hand it in. What happens after that happens.

Slope wont affect your scores on your home course, only away ones. It is a way of amending your handicap based on the difficulty of the course you are going to play. For example if you played at a harder course then slope would give you an extra few shots, how many depends on the rating. That is my understanding of it anyway.

 

[Orikoru]

I know it's not the way to look at things typically but is it our problem to learn? I assume there will be a calculator once all courses have their slopes that does all the hard work for us.

My only understanding is that a neutral course is 113 less is easier, higher is harder and handicap is adjusted up and down depending on difference to your home club? Same as you though slope number means nothing to me, I wouldn't know how to adjust accordingly.

If it's important, then I'm sure they'll let us know as much as we need to, yeah. I was just saying that right now I have no clue what it is or represents, so if it has any baring on the handicap - no idea.

 

[Orikoru]

Whilst that may be your same handicap remember it is only a handicap index.

So you might get more or less shots depending upon the course and the slope rating.

That sounds well confusing. I don't play comps at other courses, aside from the odd club match - so in my friendly rounds at other courses I have to figure out what the slope is and what my adjusted handicap is? What a lot of effort. I'd rather just have one handicap and if it travels well, or poorly, then so be it. It's just easier.

 

[jim8flog]

Slope wont affect your scores on your home course, only away ones. .

See post #21

 

[jim8flog]

That sounds well confusing. I don't play comps at other courses, aside from the odd club match - so in my friendly rounds at other courses I have to figure out what the slope is and what my adjusted handicap is? What a lot of effort. I'd rather just have one handicap and if it travels well, or poorly, then so be it. It's just easier.

It will be simple to do as the clubs will give you a chart to do the calculation for you.

 

[Orikoru]

I don't know in all honesty. The complications of handicaps, CSS, blah blah etc just hurt my head. I turn up, hit my shots, fill in my card, hand it in. What happens after that happens.

Slope wont affect your scores on your home course, only away ones. It is a way of amending your handicap based on the difficulty of the course you are going to play. For example if you played at a harder course then slope would give you an extra few shots, how many depends on the rating. That is my understanding of it anyway.

I think my courses is generally slightly tougher than several of the away courses we've played on friendly rounds. I normally score well on them on points - so that's that out the window.

 

[robinthehood]

That sounds well confusing. I don't play comps at other courses, aside from the odd club match - so in my friendly rounds at other courses I have to figure out what the slope is and what my adjusted handicap is? What a lot of effort. I'd rather just have one handicap and if it travels well, or poorly, then so be it. It's just easier.

Dont worry, there'll be an app or a slide rule ..

 

[jmf1488]

I track all my rounds on my hole 19 app. The average of the 8 best from last 20 rounds and my handicap stays the same. I lost .4 but still got the same playing handicap.

 

[louise_a]

It is expected that most peoples handicap will be higher, looking at JonnyGutteridges post his best round was 5 over his handicap so would I expect get a big increase.

Of course you would also have to adjust to get your handicap index which is worked out using the course and slope ratings

 

[louise_a]

I know it's not the way to look at things typically but is it our problem to learn? I assume there will be a calculator once all courses have their slopes that does all the hard work for us.

My only understanding is that a neutral course is 113 less is easier, higher is harder and handicap is adjusted up and down depending on difference to your home club? Same as you though slope number means nothing to me, I wouldn't know how to adjust accordingly.

113 is the slope rating used to calculate everyone's handicap index

 

[IanM]

So, I wait to see what I am given, I go and play golf and forget about the old handicaps and the calculation system...

.... I see, no issue other than vanity then? I can get back to worrying about sock length!

 

[Deleted member 3432]

I think its fair to say I could be looking at around 20 handicap based on how the new system is calculated if it were implemented tomorrow.

As my current handicap is 5 that is some spectactular poor form displayed on my part

 

[patricks148]

I think its fair to say I could be looking at around 20 handicap based on how the new system is calculated if it were implemented tomorrow.

As my current handicap is 5 that is some spectactular poor form displayed on my part

same here, we could be very saught after PP in Greensomes and foursomes comps next year

 

[Orikoru]

That's another question, whenever the new system comes in will we just switch to whatever our handicap is in the new system straight away? So if my calculations were correct in the OP, I could just gain 4 shots overnight??

 

[louise_a]

That's another question, whenever the new system comes in will we just switch to whatever our handicap is in the new system straight away? So if my calculations were correct in the OP, I could just gain 4 shots overnight??

I believe that before it is introduced handicap certificates will show you what your handicap index would be as ell as your current handicap, so although when it comes into force it will be immediate at least you will know what to expect.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

That's another question, whenever the new system comes in will we just switch to whatever our handicap is in the new system straight away? So if my calculations were correct in the OP, I could just gain 4 shots overnight??

Think of that first competition you are going to be walking away with

 

[rulefan]

A number of misapprehensions here.

Par is not used in the handicap index calculation.

The handicap index is the base start point computed from the average of the best 8 from the last 20 scores.

A course is rated for a model scratch player and for a model bogey player (about 20ish)
Slope is a mark that describes the measure of difficulty for a bogey golfer relative to a scratch golfer at a specific set of tees. A golf course of standard playing difficulty has a slope rating of 113, and ratings range from a minimum of 55 (very easy) to a maximum of 155 (extremely difficult).
The difference between the two ratings is turned into a straight line graph where the gradient is the slope using the following formula:
Slope = (Bogey course rating - Course Rating) * 5.381 for men (or 4.24 for women). (Don't ask why).

When playing any set of tees at any course you will find either a notice showing your Course Handicap (ie the handicap to be used for play) for your handicap index
or you can use the following formula: Course Handicap = Handicap Index * Slope / 113

Without knowing the slope of a course it is difficult to know exactly how a CONGU handicap would convert to a WHS handicap.

But if your course has recently been rated to the USGA standard you should be able to see the slope here: https://ncrdb.usga.org/NCRDB/?index=&rating=

If outside the USA only enter the club name

 

[rulefan]

That's another question, whenever the new system comes in will we just switch to whatever our handicap is in the new system straight away? So if my calculations were correct in the OP, I could just gain 4 shots overnight??

CONGU are currently fine tuning the software which will convert everyone's CONGU handicap into a WHS cap automatically.