Woolwich soldier killing

Fish said:
"Lengthy"?

How about INDEFINITE!!
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Firstly I agree with socketRocket, we need MORE people to think this way not less

And legal system what a joke, how about question them and then toss them into the Woolwich barracks and let our boys pass sentence and deal with them, send out a strong message once and for all, film it and shove it on Youtube
 
Weve gone completely soft as a nation. Too many people offering up rights to people intent on causing pain and terror in our own country FGS. Our soldiers fight all over the world to keep us safe but why bother when we are just letting people with terrorist intent roam in our own backyard freely??
 
It does feel as if we are out to save people in Afghanistan yet let our own get slaughtered, bombed and hate preachers get away with it on our door step.
Its near on impossible to infiltrate attacks like this but when people are marching through our streets shouting death to the west etc I would like to see more done.
 
Aztecs27 said:
An actual quote from someone in our office today.

"Just send them all back to where they came from" :rolleyes:

What, South London?
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Haha yeah a little extreme but almost a valid point.

What is really infuriating though is that the intelligence services have a good knowledge of who the troublemakers and ringleaders are, many (not all!) of them non British citizens but they are pretty much powerless to kick them out of the country "back to where they came from" because of their human rights etc.

What about the dead soldier's human rights?
 
What I find unforgivable about this are the bigots using this tragedy as justification for their beliefs.

What happened was shocking because it's incredibly random and incredibly rare; I think I'm correct in saying no one has died in the mainland UK through terrorist activity since 2005.

The domestic threat was probably greater from Irish republicanism. No one was calling for the mass repatriation of the Irish 30 years ago !

No one is defending terrorism or the individuals that commit these acts, and to state that is as moronic as the 'send them home' statement.

The extremist beliefs on both sides are equally toxic.

I hope my kids can grow up in a safe, civilised, multicultural Britain
 
What is really infuriating though is that the intelligence services have a good knowledge of who the troublemakers and ringleaders are, many (not all!) of them non British citizens but they are pretty much powerless to kick them out of the country "back to where they came from" because of their human rights etc.
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there is nowhere to send them back to, most are UK born 2/3 generation. I be all for managed proactive policing/dentention/profiling but this is a dangerous road to go down
 
therod said:
What I find unforgivable about this are the bigots using this tragedy as justification for their beliefs.

What happened was shocking because it's incredibly random and incredibly rare; I think I'm correct in saying no one has died in the mainland UK through terrorist activity since 2005.

The domestic threat was probably greater from Irish republicanism. No one was calling for the mass repatriation of the Irish 30 years ago !

No one is defending terrorism or the individuals that commit these acts, and to state that is as moronic as the 'send them home' statement.

The extremist beliefs on both sides are equally toxic.

I hope my kids can grow up in a safe, civilised, multicultural Britain
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An excellent point and one I was considering making myself.
 
therod said:
What I find unforgivable about this are the bigots using this tragedy as justification for their beliefs.

What happened was shocking because it's incredibly random and incredibly rare; I think I'm correct in saying no one has died in the mainland UK through terrorist activity since 2005.

The domestic threat was probably greater from Irish republicanism. No one was calling for the mass repatriation of the Irish 30 years ago !

No one is defending terrorism or the individuals that commit these acts, and to state that is as moronic as the 'send them home' statement.

The extremist beliefs on both sides are equally toxic.

I hope my kids can grow up in a safe, civilised, multicultural Britain
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Great point well made. :thup:
 
Birchy said:
Weve gone completely soft as a nation. Too many people offering up rights to people intent on causing pain and terror in our own country FGS. Our soldiers fight all over the world to keep us safe but why bother when we are just letting people with terrorist intent roam in our own backyard freely??
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Utter rot.
The Taliban were of no threat to us at all in this country.
Saddam's regime was of no threat to us at all in this country.
We are unfortunately reaping what we ourselves sowed through Blair being Bush's little lap dog.
 
Aztecs27 said:
An actual quote from someone in our office today.

"Just send them all back to where they came from" :rolleyes:

What, South London?
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And therein lies the problem. They may be from South London and technically they may be British, but culturally they aren't. They weren't talking about South London when they spoke about their land. They may be British, but they are not of British descent and they have failed to integrate to such an extent they don't feel British. This is why multiculturalism has failed. In fact they hate Britain so much they want to attack us. They are only British when it suits them.
In the WW2 it was easier to identify the enemy and we just interned anyone who was German. Even then it was controversial. We can't do that now, but neither can we go to war against the Taliban and the Ba'ath party and ask their supporters to come and live with us.
 
Sad sad day even for the need for a post like this , ive being reading all the replys & all even the ones i dont agree with have to be respected because its a raw subject .. i for one would not tar all race or creeds with the 1 brush tho .. you have to be careful on this ..

Im Irish, however im not IRA never have or never will have the inclination to bomb your country , so please dont include me in anything they did in the name of patriotisim or what ever they call it ..

I grew up seeing football voilence & now racist chanting in English (aswell as others) football , are all football fans hooligans & racists ?
Can ya see where im going with these examples ..

However i would draw a strong line in the sand if people protested in the towns & cities of Ireland about killing Irish people or against an Irish way of Life ..

I dont or wouldnt classs myself as a racist , if a family from another country want to come here and set up family & live , good for them , but they have to contribute to & fit in to the society that exists , we should respect their beliefs but we should not have to change our society to fit people who chose to join it ,

If my country & our beliefs are not good enough for you feel free to leave at any time .. My inlaws lived in Teheran for a few years , when family visited them they strictly obeyed Teheran/Iranian law or got arrested ..

I read today that one of the first few people to leave flowers was an Islamic man , who also claimed that it was not done in his name or in the name of his religion , im sure there are others ..

Thoughts & best wishes to the family of the bereaved , & please think before posting on the thread , this subject is not as fickle as some we argue over & the enormity of it does not deserve bitter squabbles amongst ourselves ..
 
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stevie_r said:
Utter rot.
The Taliban were of no threat to us at all in this country.
Saddam's regime was of no threat to us at all in this country.
We are unfortunately reaping what we ourselves sowed through Blair being Bush's little lap dog.
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So your privvy to all threats against our national security are you?

Thought not.
 
bladeplayer said:
What about the thousands of Irish that lived there then & since peacefuly & contributed to building GB ? did they deserved to be treated that way ?

If my brother is a murderer am i ?
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As I said... "Just asking the question"...

One thing I am super proud of, as an Englishman, is how tolerant we are of 'others' despite how 'aggressive' many 'others' are toward us... I am fully aware of the 'positives' of being multi-cultured has brought to my country... However I have also seen how some have taken advantage of 'our' tolerance and abused it...
 
therod said:
What I find unforgivable about this are the bigots using this tragedy as justification for their beliefs.

What happened was shocking because it's incredibly random and incredibly rare; I think I'm correct in saying no one has died in the mainland UK through terrorist activity since 2005.

The domestic threat was probably greater from Irish republicanism. No one was calling for the mass repatriation of the Irish 30 years ago !

No one is defending terrorism or the individuals that commit these acts, and to state that is as moronic as the 'send them home' statement.

The extremist beliefs on both sides are equally toxic.

I hope my kids can grow up in a safe, civilised, multicultural Britain
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Terrific post Rod.
 
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