Woods out of US open

[One Planer]

Yes, he's a sour faced g1t on the course and gives the worst post round interviews when he's played badly, but, are you happy when you're at work?

No but ive got a crap job sat in an office most the day, my yearly salary is only a small percentage of the appearance money that Tiger will get for turning up at one tournament. I would like to see the miserable git's face if he had to do my job all day then go home to our lass on a night afterwards!

Now, would I be happy in Tiger's job?.....silly question

This is why I put after he is let down by it and people preception of him. He has a job we all dream of, but maybe thats how he see's it, as a job.

I'm not defending his sour faced antics, club throwing, abrupt often rude interview answers.

All I was pointing out that over his career, up until recently, has been a role model for so many kids and prompted so many people to take up the game that IMO would be a loss to the game.

 

[Mongoose]

Woods needs to dig ditches for 6 months for his livlihood then be given the choice of digging ditches the rest of his life, or going back to golf with a more respectful demeanour to the game and its fans. I suspect then we would see a smiling happy chappy Woods playing golf.

 

[Macster]

JohnO - dont be too harsh on ur missus, she's probably knackered by the time you get in........sorry about that, I wont stay as long from now on.

 

[fundy]

I dont give 2 hoots if he smiles on the course, a tournament with Woods playing well in it is better than without so I for one am sad that he isnt teeing it up. There again the anti-Woods brigade surface on here at the drop of a pin so no real surprise really

 

[Aztecs27]

I dont give 2 hoots if he smiles on the course, a tournament with Woods playing well in it is better than without so I for one am sad that he isnt teeing it up. There again the anti-Woods brigade surface on here at the drop of a pin so no real surprise really

I don't get why, because people don't like him for genuine reasons, it's labelled as an "Anti-TW Brigade"

There are other golfers that people on here don't like, Westwood, Poulter to name two, but because they're not HRH Tiger Woods, it's ok to not like them and have a negative opinion about them.

 

[USER1999]

Thing is, no one can post anything about TW, without the next few posts being about him being a miserable git. If a post is started about any other golfer, most of the posts will be relevant to the subject, not just a view on the personality (or lack there of).
For instance, Harringtons rules infringement didn't generate too many posts about his character, just about rules infringements in general, and how they might be policed.

Reading about Woods being surly is nearly as repetitive as reading about Ping users smelling of wee. It's a given, I don't need reminding.

 

[titleistkid]

I just don't understand the ill-feeling towards Tiger, yes you can question his morals off the course and his occasional lack of etiquette when frustrated (although I'm sure he's not the only player who has spat on a green or dropped an F-Bomb)

It just reeks of bitterness and jealousy that no British player will ever be anywhere near as good as him. If you cast your mind back 10 years ago when he was untouchable no-one decided they didnt like him they just appreciated his brilliance. This is a recent trend and one that in completely unfounded and i believe based on the fact that our guys cant perform to the level he once did on such a regular basis. He has inspired a generation of golfers in the same way nicklaus, palmer, player, ballesteros etc did.

He made golf cool again and there is no denying the younger guys coming on the tour now wanted to be him when they were growing up.

Here is a link of him at the 2000 Open Championship watch this and tell me you aren't awestruck, after all it's far too easy to kick a man when he's down

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=md0EBpnTTaU

 

[Aztecs27]

I just don't understand the ill-feeling towards Tiger, yes you can question his morals off the course and his occasional lack of etiquette when frustrated (although I'm sure he's not the only player who has spat on a green or dropped an F-Bomb)

It just reeks of bitterness and jealousy that no British player will ever be anywhere near as good as him. If you cast your mind back 10 years ago when he was untouchable no-one decided they didnt like him they just appreciated his brilliance. This is a recent trend and one that in completely unfounded and i believe based on the fact that our guys cant perform to the level he once did on such a regular basis. He has inspired a generation of golfers in the same way nicklaus, palmer, player, ballesteros etc did.

He made golf cool again and there is no denying the younger guys coming on the tour now wanted to be him when they were growing up.

Here is a link of him at the 2000 Open Championship watch this and tell me you aren't awestruck, after all it's far too easy to kick a man when he's down

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=md0EBpnTTaU

I think for alot of people, it's the way he's handled himself since the "incident". It was obviously difficult for him and even I was sick of reporters and media asking him about it, I'd have been pissed off too...But on the golf course he's clearly not the man he once was and going about it like a spoiled child isn't the way to handle yourself.

By all means get frustrated, but don't forget the basic etiquette of the game that has bought you so much fame and fortune.

I don't "hate" Tiger and it's probably more the media to blame for my losing interest in him because I'm sick of hearing (at every single tournament) if "this week will be the week we get the old Tiger back" and covering/talking about nothing but a struggling Tiger on TV when the guys at the top, who are playing superb golf, hardly get a look in. I understand he's still a massive draw, but seriously, at least balance the coverage out!

And now he's pulled out of the US Open (which is absolutely the right thing to do, and I applaud him for listening to his body!) ALL the broadcasters will talk about will be Tiger missing the US Open and how it will affect the tournament and how it will make the other players feel and react.

I'm sure any number of players, when being interviewed next week, will be asked "what does it mean now Tiger isn't in the field this week?"

Thanks for the memories, Tiger but thanks to a killer swing, your body is all but done and it's time gracefully ride off into the sunset safe in the knowledge that you are probably the greatest golfer ever (if not the second greatest) and let the next generation shine.

 

[timgolfy]

Thanks for the memories, Tiger but thanks to a killer swing, your body is all but done and it's time gracefully ride off into the sunset safe in the knowledge that you are probably the greatest golfer ever (if not the second greatest) and let the next generation shine.

If I were Tiger I'd carry on playing until my legs fell off.

 

[19thagain]

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If I were Tiger I'd carry on playing until my legs fell off.

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I wonder Tim if that would be the case?

He no doubt is financially secure and if his only on course income from competing is his appearence money, his off course income could be affected, exit Nike etc.

IF, his world class form is indeed gone, we will no doubt see Tiger Burger Bars attacking McDonalds!

 

[Aztecs27]

Thanks for the memories, Tiger but thanks to a killer swing, your body is all but done and it's time gracefully ride off into the sunset safe in the knowledge that you are probably the greatest golfer ever (if not the second greatest) and let the next generation shine.

If I were Tiger I'd carry on playing until my legs fell off.

Depends how much quality of life means to you in later life I suppose.

If it were me, I'd like to be able to play with my kids and watch them grow up without the aid of a walking stick or a wheelchair.

 

[freddielong]

Also depends on how much you enjoy golf, you get the feeling that Tiger no longer enjoys it, even when he was fit his schedule barely covered the minimum number of events he had to play to keep his card.

I really loved watching Tiger his 2000 swing for me is the closest thing I have ever seen to perfect, but I just cannot see him sticking around for the sake of it

 

[muttleee]

No but ive got a crap job sat in an office most the day, my yearly salary is only a small percentage of the appearance money that Tiger will get for turning up at one tournament. I would like to see the miserable git's face if he had to do my job all day then go home to our lass on a night afterwards!

Now, would I be happy in Tiger's job?.....silly question

No doubt you would be happy to be in his job and be as good as him...but would you be happy struggling to make the cut most weeks and not knowing if you're actually going to earn any money? Yes it sounds nice in theory to be out golfing every day but like most jobs, I suspect it loses its appeal a bit when you're under severe pressure to perform.

 

[Piece]

I'm probably the only one who thinks Tiger will return to the top of the game. He has definitely done the right thing here and taken total time out to completely heal his injuries - this shows better management of his body that hopefully will prolong his career. Westwood did a similar thing (although different injury) last year near to the Ryder Cup.

It's the simple fact that Tiger just hasn't played a lot of golf over the last three years. If you don't practice much and don't play, then you can't be consistent. I believe that once he is playing and practicing consistently, he will go straight back to the top because the moment there is no-one good enough to rule golf on their own like Tiger did.

<rant mode on>

I think he has been unfairly written off by most people to a point where it has become fashionable to do so. Everyone has an opinion about TW and can't wait to be the first to say, "told you so", when another club throwing incident occurs, or when he gives a bland interview, or when he pulls out of a tournament. Yes, he is a role model, but so is Monty, Garcia, Poulter, Kim, Sabbatini, etc., yet their club throwing, shouting at photographers, shoulder barging etc., doesn't get anyway near the coverage because it's "not a story". This is not a support of his behaviour, just a reality check in that I prefer to 'focus' my time reflecting on his golf only.

Some people really have to be careful what they wish for - a retiring Tiger means a massive void in the game that won't be filled, if at all, for a very long time. And please don't say the game is coping already, as television ratings and attendances will testify against you. No Tiger = less viewers = less money. Simple. A golfer like TW only comes along around in a generation. If Poulter retired tomorrow, I don't think anyone would bat an eyelid.

Yes, there's some good young players around at the moment, but being honest, so far, they just don't have the genius that Tiger has. You add up the major wins that Poulter, Westwood, Donald, Casey, McDowell, Kaymer, Garcia have and you are a LONG way short of TW. Same for Tour wins.

Yes, you can tell that I am a big Tiger fan. However, this fan is fan of his golfing genius and what he has done for the game, NOT his off course antics.

I want to see the best play the best, and this is for *any sport*. And the best is Tiger, whether you like him or not.

<rant mode off>

 

[Mongoose]

Woods and John Daly have much in common. Huge talent. Personalities that get addicted to substances. Overly emotional. Walk off when things arent going well. Injuries. Huge media attention. Both bought a lot of interest and excitement to golf. Past their prime. Daly is now a clown, a sideshow act, and Woods is heading that way.

 

[Aztecs27]

I'm probably the only one who thinks Tiger will return to the top of the game. He has definitely done the right thing here and taken total time out to completely heal his injuries - this shows better management of his body that hopefully will prolong his career. Westwood did a similar thing (although different injury) last year near to the Ryder Cup.

It's the simple fact that Tiger just hasn't played a lot of golf over the last three years. If you don't practice much and don't play, then you can't be consistent. I believe that once he is playing and practicing consistently, he will go straight back to the top because the moment there is no-one good enough to rule golf on their own like Tiger did.

<rant mode on>

I think he has been unfairly written off by most people to a point where it has become fashionable to do so. Everyone has an opinion about TW and can't wait to be the first to say, "told you so", when another club throwing incident occurs, or when he gives a bland interview, or when he pulls out of a tournament. Yes, he is a role model, but so is Monty, Garcia, Poulter, Kim, Sabbatini, etc., yet their club throwing, shouting at photographers, shoulder barging etc., doesn't get anyway near the coverage because it's "not a story". This is not a support of his behaviour, just a reality check in that I prefer to 'focus' my time reflecting on his golf only.

Some people really have to be careful what they wish for - a retiring Tiger means a massive void in the game that won't be filled, if at all, for a very long time. And please don't say the game is coping already, as television ratings and attendances will testify against you. No Tiger = less viewers = less money. Simple. A golfer like TW only comes along around in a generation. If Poulter retired tomorrow, I don't think anyone would bat an eyelid.

Yes, there's some good young players around at the moment, but being honest, so far, they just don't have the genius that Tiger has. You add up the major wins that Poulter, Westwood, Donald, Casey, McDowell, Kaymer, Garcia have and you are a LONG way short of TW. Same for Tour wins.

Yes, you can tell that I am a big Tiger fan. However, this fan is fan of his golfing genius and what he has done for the game, NOT his off course antics.

I want to see the best play the best, and this is for *any sport*. And the best is Tiger, whether you like him or not.

<rant mode off>

....aaaaaannnnnd breeeaaaathhee.

 

[Piece]

<rant mode on>

[snip]

<rant mode off>

....aaaaaannnnnd breeeaaaathhee.

That's been bubbling up for years

 

[One Planer]

Yes, there's some good young players around at the moment, but being honest, so far, they just don't have the genius that Tiger has. You add up the major wins that Poulter, Westwood, Donald, Casey, McDowell, Kaymer, Garcia have and you are a LONG way short of TW. Same for Tour wins.

Yes, you can tell that I am a big Tiger fan. However, this fan is fan of his golfing genius and what he has done for the game, NOT his off course antics.

I want to see the best play the best, and this is for *any sport*. And the best is Tiger, whether you like him or not.

<rant mode off>

So, by your logic (Majors won), Isn't Jack Nicklaus the best player? I'll conceide Jack isn't a current player but based on him winning more majors, would you consider him better than Woods?

Incidentally, Tiger was number 1 in the world for a very long time, and rightly so. He has been an exceptional player throughout hs career, but at the moment could he be considered the best player... Doubtful.

How do you qauntify what the "best" is??

World ranking? Majors won? Personal opinion? A.N.Other? Prize money??

For what it's worth, Im not a Tiger-Hater. I respect the fantastic feats he has achieved as a golfer through out his vast career, as would most people on here. It's the circus that surrounds him around that most people disagree with.

While Tiger woods doesn't play in a tournament, yes there are less people in the crowd, but does that diminish the quality of the rest of the field or the standard of the golf played??

How many times has the world number 1 spot changed hands in the last year or so?? Personally I find it more exciting leading up to a tournament where you have a chance, results dependant, of 2 or 3 players attaining the #1 spot, rather than 1 person in an unassailable position.

 

[Piece]

So, by your logic (Majors won), Isn't Jack Nicklaus the best player? I'll conceide Jack isn't a current player but based on him winning more majors, would you consider him better than Woods?

To answer your first point, I was talking 'best' in the current playing generation. Jack wasn't in my thinking. Whether Tiger is better than Jack, or vice versa, is a topic for another thread.

Incidentally, Tiger was number 1 in the world for a very long time, and rightly so. He has been an exceptional player throughout hs career, but at the moment could he be considered the best player... Doubtful.

Not on current form, agreed. On potential form, no doubt yes.

How do you qauntify what the "best" is??

World ranking? Majors won? Personal opinion? A.N.Other? Prize money??

All of the above. Perhaps not prize money

While Tiger woods doesn't play in a tournament, yes there are less people in the crowd, but does that diminish the quality of the rest of the field or the standard of the golf played??

Overall, yes it does. And I mean from the golfing point of view. Surely a Tiger playing well only adds to the quality and standard?

How many times has the world number 1 spot changed hands in the last year or so?? Personally I find it more exciting leading up to a tournament where you have a chance, results dependant, of 2 or 3 players attaining the #1 spot, rather than 1 person in an unassailable position.

Yes, I agree with that view point too. Perhaps for me it's a golfer getting to No.1 and staying there for a considerable time, showing that he is the best at that time and setting the standard for all to follow. I just don't see that at the moment. Just a personal thing, nothing wrong or right.

 

[EZprophet]

Now, would I be happy in Tiger's job?.....silly question

Obviously you would swap job positions with him now that he is where he is, but would you have ever make the sacrifices he has made to get there?.... no.

Agree with pretty much everything Piece said. In my opinion this current trend of Tiger-hating is down to jealousy, pure and simple.