Women's golf - different rules or just plain weird?

[AmandaJR]

The fact that anyone feels the need to refer to gender instantly marks them as sexist. Why don't the lady members integrate more? Have you ever considered that it might be down to the ridiculous level of macho BS that is still inherent in our game? For example, what is wrong with a lady golfer hitting a piece of lumber from a distance that you are going to over hit a mid iron to?

My favourite golf partner is my wife, even if she does frequently lash it down the fairway (with a lovely draw) further than me. She's probably the only golfer who can laugh out loud at me duffing a 64* wedge without wearing the club as a necklace for the rest of the round

Love it and you sound so like David my husband. In fact the "ridicule" just got directed at him "oooh how does it feel to be outdriven by your wife" - his response - "fine, and as I outdrive you tell me how you feel about it?"

The macho BS is just the thing that would prevent me joining in a swindle or roll up or having a drink in the bar after a men's competition.

 

[AmandaJR]

I guess this must refer to me, seeing as I wrote the OP.

The OP referred to a specific situation(s), is commenting on a fact classed as sexist in your book??

If there was any of my mates doing the same thing they would have had the same levels of disbelief aimed at them.

Lighten up.

To be fair I thought the original post was quite funny but it disintegrated from there into another fairly chauvanistic typical female golfer bashing thread.

I got told off for standing on the tee despite being there to help spot the ball especially in low sun....so now I don't bother !!

 

[stevie_r]

I guess this must refer to me, seeing as I wrote the OP.

The OP referred to a specific situation(s), is commenting on a fact classed as sexist in your book??

If there was any of my mates doing the same thing they would have had the same levels of disbelief aimed at them.

Lighten up.

No I wasn't referring to you

 

[Luulox]

Smiffy's not cheating.....that was his second shot!!!!!

Lol, made me spit a bit of my lager out!

 

[fundy]

Love it and you sound so like David my husband. In fact the "ridicule" just got directed at him "oooh how does it feel to be outdriven by your wife" - his response - "fine, and as I outdrive you tell me how you feel about it?"

The macho BS is just the thing that would prevent me joining in a swindle or roll up or having a drink in the bar after a men's competition.

Pretty sad you feel you cant have a drink in the bar if a mens comp on. Our bar yesterday had many women in despite it being mens medal, and plenty of blokes in today after the womens medal

 

[richart]

Smiffy's not cheating.....that was his second shot!!!!!

Even with preferred lies are you allowed to use a tee for your second shot ?

 

[bobmac]

Even with preferred lies are you allowed to use a tee for your second shot ?

Not normally but you know what Smiffy is like. Anything for a quiet life

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Amanda , you are obviously a good, keen and proficient golfer, I salute you as I would any person regardless of age, colour or gender who enjoys the game and plays it in the right spirit.

However in my experience, the worst place to be , on the course, is behind a senior ladies 4 ball. They often lack the pace of other groups on the course, ( im not going to mention proficiency as half the time I play rubbish, but I dont hang around doing it)

lack of pace isnt a problem as long as they let other groups through, but so often they dont, and its this that gives the ladies section such a bad reputation.

I dont care if they are hitting 75 yards each go, or 250 yards, as long as when they see a group behind who are being held up, they wave them through.

it is a game for all people, of all standards, but in general, the ladies seem blinkered on the point of slow play

Fragger

 

[sev112]

our weekly swindle/roll up is mixed, and often teh ladies take the money
Our medals are separate comps but played with some mixing of men and ladies.
All of our social comps (quite a lot) are mixed.

Bar is a very happy place

 

[richart]

our weekly swindle/roll up is mixed, and often teh ladies take the money
Our medals are separate comps but played with some mixing of men and ladies.
All of our social comps (quite a lot) are mixed.

Bar is a very happy place

I'm worried now Steve as we agree on something ! Bet our members are better dressed than yours.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I do think there are big divides between the ladies section and the mens at most clubs. Even when we play a mixed comp, the ladies will normally gravitate towards the comfy settees they use and not sit with their male playing partners. If they can't do that in a team event it is doubtful any will will make the leap to want to play in the roll ups if they wanted to.

I don't have a problem per se with women golf although there are those in the same way as there are juniors, seniors and other male members who behave on the course in a way the re-enforces stereotypical views. That doesn't make it right for me to support these views but having also witnessed ladies applying hand cream and make up mid-hole, senior men all searching for a ball and then moving on to the next one while traffic gathers behind and juniors who think everyone is stone death as they shout and bellow to each other across the fairway, it is hard to break these.

What we shouldn't forget is the lady members do pay a decent whack to be there and without them our own fees would increase. Many help out on the social side and help keep the 19th looking good. We need them as members and we need to try and make them feel wanted

 

[AmandaJR]

I do think there are big divides between the ladies section and the mens at most clubs. Even when we play a mixed comp, the ladies will normally gravitate towards the comfy settees they use and not sit with their male playing partners. If they can't do that in a team event it is doubtful any will will make the leap to want to play in the roll ups if they wanted to.

I don't have a problem per se with women golf although there are those in the same way as there are juniors, seniors and other male members who behave on the course in a way the re-enforces stereotypical views. That doesn't make it right for me to support these views but having also witnessed ladies applying hand cream and make up mid-hole, senior men all searching for a ball and then moving on to the next one while traffic gathers behind and juniors who think everyone is stone death as they shout and bellow to each other across the fairway, it is hard to break these.

What we shouldn't forget is the lady members do pay a decent whack to be there and without them our own fees would increase. Many help out on the social side and help keep the 19th looking good. We need them as members and we need to try and make them feel wanted

I read this, forgot where I was, and tried to click the "like" button

 

[AmandaJR]

Amanda , you are obviously a good, keen and proficient golfer, I salute you as I would any person regardless of age, colour or gender who enjoys the game and plays it in the right spirit.

However in my experience, the worst place to be , on the course, is behind a senior ladies 4 ball. They often lack the pace of other groups on the course, ( im not going to mention proficiency as half the time I play rubbish, but I dont hang around doing it)

lack of pace isnt a problem as long as they let other groups through, but so often they dont, and its this that gives the ladies section such a bad reputation.

I dont care if they are hitting 75 yards each go, or 250 yards, as long as when they see a group behind who are being held up, they wave them through.

it is a game for all people, of all standards, but in general, the ladies seem blinkered on the point of slow play

Fragger

I hear what you say and do agree - but - more often imho that experience is behind a senior male 4 ball of which there are many more...

 

[DaveM]

Dont see the point of all this! I will play with any race creed sex age as long as we all get on . Have a bit of fun and enjoy our round. So what does it matter.

 

[Evesdad]

I've played three times this week and everytime I've been stuck behind a 4 ball of senior males who had no intention of letting us through. On Wednesday morning the group in front list 2.5 holes on the group infront of them! Did they let us through not a chance. All three groups played like they owned the place and sod everyone else! just pointing out that the men are just as bad as the ladies and they were also averaging about 100-150 yds per shot.

 

[Golfmmad]

Talk about stereotyping...nowt new though and the side to golf I find most disappointing.

Today I hit a 240yd drive, I hit every par 3 in regulation and all with irons, I birdied 3 holes (Par 5, Par 4 and Par 3) and should rise above the usual (so called) banter - but can't !

I hear it at the club constantly and read it here too

Good on you Amanda for sticking up for the ladies.

I hope one day that you and your Hubby will join in on a forum meet.

Then you can really "stick it up 'em" eh?

 

[Phil2511]

Please don't mention the "can we have a pot of hot water" as one of them disappears down to the locker room for a tea bag. Or "we'll share a scone." Or "we buy our balls for our two's comp from AG coz they're cheaper than the pro."

Many of them want all the facilities of a good club but don't want to pay for them.

Sounds like my place TBH.
Most of the women come into the restaurant and all order tea or coffee or the real big spenders would get tea and scone or toast, then when the place shut down because it made no money were the biggest criers. They also wouldn't let anyone play through them even though they were holding everyone up behind but would be the first to complain if they were being held up themselves.

Certainly some men can be like this but generally speaking the ladies section at our place was ALL this way. Generally men will let other men play through because they see it as ettiquette to not hold up others.

I have even witnessed it when we had been stuck behind a group of ladies on a saturday morning from the 2nd hole, the 3rd a call through hole they did not call us through and we were waiting at every hole the entire way to 8, where all of a sudden one of them decides they want to retake their tee shot due to a plugged ball and comes back to the 8th teebox while we had already been waiting on it for well over 5 minutes before they decided to even come back.
They still did not call us through and actually stood at the 18th green marking the cards for 5 mins after they had finished while we were standing waiting to play our approach shots.

But they had done this alot it seems and this is a true story that follows.

As our place is a pay and play that offered ladies half price season cards at £362.50 compared to mens at £725, but the lady members had equal rights the same as the men and could play at anytime even on saturday mornings when the mens club holds their competitions.
That one particular group of lady members i mentioned who would play very slow every saturday teeing off about 10-10.30ish and would constantly be holding up those behind, were politely asked one saturday could the following group a 2ball play through them and of course they said no and were quite rude to what turned out to be the wrong person.

This person decided to take up a case with the equalities commission about the ladies in our place having equal rights but paying half the price, and now said ladies must pay the same as the men £762.50 for a 7 day season card and therefore most have opted for the cheaper 5 day membership which is still more than the old rates.
So now they cant play at weekends whatsoever and some have left because it was no longer affordable for them. With i believe only 3 now still keeping a full 7 day card.

They pretty much ruined for themselves the good thing they had going by being arrogant to others playing there but paying twice the amount of money per year, because gnerally speaking overall the men had no problems with them playing on a Saturday morning even though the mens club ran its competitions at these times, as there were plenty of tee times for everyone.
Now as far as I know there are only those 3 ladies that play on a Saturday now and 1 of those is leaving at end of the year to another club.

 

[Smiffy]

No I wasn't referring to you

 

[Smiffy]

It feels like women in golf are the major target and the mickey-taking/generalisation as to our ability and behaviour on the course is way more prevalent than that directed at any others.

But isn't that the same with most "sports" Amanda???
Ladies football teams, ladies cricket teams, ladies darts teams, lady racing drivers. The list goes on.
Just a bit of harmless banter for the most part.

 

[papyt]

At my club WEDNESDAY is LADIES day,the last time i played on a wednesday 3 women were on the course and i had to ask permission to tee off as it was before noon,and how come every game is a KNOCKOUT COMP or is this an excuse to jump in front of any junior waiting before them,if they want equality let them tee up off the whites and use our stroke index and h/cap system