Womens Euros

clubchamp98 said:
Pretty sure Ronaldo or Messi would have put the first chance away.
Not saying it wasn’t a good goal it was a very good clever finish.
But goal of the season really.
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Ronaldo and Messi have both missed "sitters". Every great striker of all time have. They've also his less than perfect shots that have gone in. For the situation last night the ball came in quickly, and the striker got a good contact on it. However, the keeper was simply in a good position and made a good reaction save. No striker ever decides to finish off every chance into the extreme corner of the net, making it impossible for the keeper. Often, when they do, they they get accused of being too cute, and should just have got the laces through it.

It was a good chance, but the keeper simply made a good save. Ironically, a much poorer contact might have resulted in the ball going in, of the ball had gone in a different direction. However, the finish afterwards was fantasic. If Henry or Ronaldo had done it, it would be amongst their career highlight reel, and they'd be heaped in praise. Whereas an English female striker does it, and it is downplayed because the keeper saved the initial chance. Mind you, does it really matter? Remember the overhead kick Rooney scored against City? Would the goal have been less fantastic if the clip started a little earlier, to show Rooney miss an open net?
 
Swango1980 said:
Ronaldo and Messi have both missed "sitters". Every great striker of all time have. They've also his less than perfect shots that have gone in. For the situation last night the ball came in quickly, and the striker got a good contact on it. However, the keeper was simply in a good position and made a good reaction save. No striker ever decides to finish off every chance into the extreme corner of the net, making it impossible for the keeper. Often, when they do, they they get accused of being too cute, and should just have got the laces through it.

It was a good chance, but the keeper simply made a good save. Ironically, a much poorer contact might have resulted in the ball going in, of the ball had gone in a different direction. However, the finish afterwards was fantasic. If Henry or Ronaldo had done it, it would be amongst their career highlight reel, and they'd be heaped in praise. Whereas an English female striker does it, and it is downplayed because the keeper saved the initial chance. Mind you, does it really matter? Remember the overhead kick Rooney scored against City? Would the goal have been less fantastic if the clip started a little earlier, to show Rooney miss an open net?
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Yes all that is true .
I merely pointed out the run up to the “ goal of the season “ was a horrendous miss .
 
clubchamp98 said:
Yes all that is true .
I merely pointed out the run up to the “ goal of the season “ was a horrendous miss .
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Again, based on what I said, I don't think it was a "horrendous" miss.

Personally, I would say a horrendous miss is one in which a goal is guaranteed, until an absolute shocker from the striker. Think Ronnie Rosenthal or that one doing the rounds recently, where the ball was virtually over the line and the attacker inexplicably kicked it away from goal.

Last night, I'd place it as an excellent opportunity. The striker did what most would do, and quickly put a strong foot on it. It was an instinct shot, not under control, time to look up and decide what corner of the net to put it in. Sadly for her, although she got a strong foot on it, the keeper was in a good position.

Ask Ronnie Rosenthal would he think he'd do anything differently if that situation came up again, and he'd almost certainly say hit it lower. The technique let him down. Ask Russo, and I am sure if the situation arose again she'd still try and get a strong shot off quickly. You sacrifice accuracy and not fully knowing where the keeper is and how they can react, but benefit from getting the shot away quickly, thus making it less likely a defender will crop up from somewhere and get a block, or keeper has even more chance to set themselves and close the angle.

But, even if classed as a horrendous miss by some, how long needs to pass before an unbelievable goal could be considered as a contender as goal of the season (again, referring to my Rooney comment).
 
Swango1980 said:
Again, based on what I said, I don't think it was a "horrendous" miss.

Personally, I would say a horrendous miss is one in which a goal is guaranteed, until an absolute shocker from the striker. Think Ronnie Rosenthal or that one doing the rounds recently, where the ball was virtually over the line and the attacker inexplicably kicked it away from goal.

Last night, I'd place it as an excellent opportunity. The striker did what most would do, and quickly put a strong foot on it. It was an instinct shot, not under control, time to look up and decide what corner of the net to put it in. Sadly for her, although she got a strong foot on it, the keeper was in a good position.

Ask Ronnie Rosenthal would he think he'd do anything differently if that situation came up again, and he'd almost certainly say hit it lower. The technique let him down. Ask Russo, and I am sure if the situation arose again she'd still try and get a strong shot off quickly. You sacrifice accuracy and not fully knowing where the keeper is and how they can react, but benefit from getting the shot away quickly, thus making it less likely a defender will crop up from somewhere and get a block, or keeper has even more chance to set themselves and close the angle.

But, even if classed as a horrendous miss by some, how long needs to pass before an unbelievable goal could be considered as a contender as goal of the season (again, referring to my Rooney comment).
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Well once again I don’t really disagree with your analysis.
Apart from an International footballer who hits the keeper in the middle of the goal from six yds.
Imo that’s a sitter other opinions are avaliable.
It was merely in context to the “ goal of this or next season” comment

Is it poor finishing or good goalkeeping? She’s in the centre of the goal.
How many times have we seen this in the prem.?
Every week you see strikers just hit it at the keeper

In the RR goal miss I always think would Robbie Fowler or Michael Owen have missed that ?
Can’t belive the amount of posts on what was a throw away comment about a bad miss.
It was a bad miss.
A brilliant recovery.
Fantastic bit of skill to score.
But still a bad miss imo of course.

Quite enjoyed the game.
But the backheel wasn’t even the best goal in the game never mind the season.!
Thought the first goal was fantastic.
Great touch ,control, and finished with real class.
 
clubchamp98 said:
Well once again I don’t really disagree with your analysis.
Apart from an International footballer who hits the keeper in the middle of the goal from six yds.
Imo that’s a sitter other opinions are avaliable.
It was merely in context to the “ goal of this or next season” comment

Is it poor finishing or good goalkeeping? She’s in the centre of the goal.
How many times have we seen this in the prem.?
Every week you see strikers just hit it at the keeper

In the RR goal miss I always think would Robbie Fowler or Michael Owen have missed that ?
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It was simply a discussion about "what is a bad miss". I wasn't slating you, it is subjective and so different people will have different opinions. You say it is a bad miss, I say it is harsh.

Yes, we see strikers not score those types of chances frequently in the PL. They are amongst the worlds elite players, and they miss them. And, they continue to miss them throughout their career. Sometimes there is a place to be critical, when their technique lets them down and they duff it. But, other times it is just a situation where the shot was blocked and they wouldn't necessarily do anything different if the chance came again. Annoys me when Shearer says "poor miss, they should have scored", forgetting there will have been many times he had close range shots saved throughout his career. And he was world class, and doing what he would normally do in that situation.

If you need to ask yourself would Robbie Fowler or Owen have scored that chance, in all fairness all you are doing is looking at their career highlights with rose tinted glasses. All the excellent goals they scored. Again, like Shearer, a fine striker. But, I am sure he will not have scored every chance he has had from a similar position as last night. I bet some were saved by keepers, even though he got a great shot off.
 
Reported in the local paper tonight. Georgia Stanway is from Barrow and her parents’ were attending the match last night.

Some thieves were aware of this and they went and attempted to burgle the house.

Fortunately a neighbour managed to disturb them and nothing was taken.

What a sad world we live in.
 
Swango1980 said:
It was simply a discussion about "what is a bad miss". I wasn't slating you, it is subjective and so different people will have different opinions. You say it is a bad miss, I say it is harsh.

Yes, we see strikers not score those types of chances frequently in the PL. They are amongst the worlds elite players, and they miss them. And, they continue to miss them throughout their career. Sometimes there is a place to be critical, when their technique lets them down and they duff it. But, other times it is just a situation where the shot was blocked and they wouldn't necessarily do anything different if the chance came again. Annoys me when Shearer says "poor miss, they should have scored", forgetting there will have been many times he had close range shots saved throughout his career. And he was world class, and doing what he would normally do in that situation.

If you need to ask yourself would Robbie Fowler or Owen have scored that chance, in all fairness all you are doing is looking at their career highlights with rose tinted glasses. All the excellent goals they scored. Again, like Shearer, a fine striker. But, I am sure he will not have scored every chance he has had from a similar position as last night. I bet some were saved by keepers, even though he got a great shot off.
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Enjoy a good debate I never thought you were slating me.
As you say we all have opinions.
Fancy a go at the save was better than “Banks” in the same post ! I mean come on.;)
 
Bunkermagnet said:
I dont doubt that, but it is very obvious the English girls are in general very naive in the arts of "winning" a free kick or booking against an opponent.
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And long may that continue.
I can't stand the cheating these days that goes on in the premiership.
Love watching the women's game, refreshing and proper football.
 
Golfmmad said:
And long may that continue.
I can't stand the cheating these days that goes on in the premiership.
Love watching the women's game, refreshing and proper football.
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I'm not so sure...the French and Germans were much more versed in the cheating aspects tonight.
I do hope we thrash the Germans
 
fundy said:
well they didnt tonight, ref was awful tried to let everything go which just encouraged more and more as the game went on culminating in an awful tackle which only saw yellow
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Exactly,far too much has been let go. The Swedish girl who couldn’t believe she got away with a ‘telling off” for the professional foul she committed to take the English girl out early on in the game was a prime example.
 
From the BBC website:

"The government has ruled out granting the country an additional bank holiday if England win the women's Euros.

It comes after growing calls among fans on social media for a special holiday should the team triumph over Germany in Sunday's final.

Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer backed the calls, proposing a "proper day of celebration" in England if it happens."

Really?
 
rosecott said:
From the BBC website:

"The government has ruled out granting the country an additional bank holiday if England win the women's Euros.

It comes after growing calls among fans on social media for a special holiday should the team triumph over Germany in Sunday's final.

Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer backed the calls, proposing a "proper day of celebration" in England if it happens."

Really?
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Ridiculous - any excuse for a day off work though :-)
 
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