Womens British Open

[Deleted member 15344]

It was indeed Cotter and Alfredsson who commented on aimpoint. The Alliss comment was from earlier when he was commentating with Cotter. Of course I might have misheard - but I don't think so. Nonetheless I have enjoyed Alliss's commentary today as I always do - occasional faux pas aside.

I am sure we'll hear about it if he did - apologies to him if he didn't

Seems a lot of ladies were doing Aimpoint - at least one in each group and some had more than one and it looked like it was taking a long time - the guys who were marshalling today were saying a lot of people were warned and put on the clock , lot of long rounds. The crowds there at the moment are just below what normally they get for the Seniors and the expect a lot more of Saturday. The ladies are being brilliant with the crowds afterwards and a lot of the local juniors from clubs are doing the scoreboard carrying

 

[Garush34]

Suggestion on the PGA thread that the womens open goes on the red button at the end of each day for an extra hour or so if that helps. Haven't checked though as I'm not home yet.

Yup the TV guide section of the bbc website says its on the red button but I looked and it wasn't there. Was rather disappointed when I got home.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Yup the TV guide section of the bbc website says its on the red button but I looked and it wasn't there. Was rather disappointed when I got home.

This is BBC coverage of the event


BBC Sport brings you live coverage of the 2016 Women's British Open at Woburn Golf Club.

Schedule

Thursday, 28 July

13:00-17:15, BBC Two

Friday, 29 July

13:00-17:15, BBC Two

Saturday, 30 July

14:00-18:00, BBC Two

Sunday, 31 July

14:00-18:00, BBC Two

 

[delc]

I was rather hoping it was going to be on the Red Button after live coverage on BBC2 finished at 17.15, but it wasn't!

Great round by Mirim Lee btw. 10 under par 62. :thup:

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Doubt very much it was the Aimpoint that was causing the slow play. Caddies lining players up and taking ages over shots far more prevalent from what I saw in the parts I caught. Still think BBC coverage showing it's age (and lack of investment). Better that than no coverage though

 

[fundy]

Seems a lot of ladies were doing Aimpoint - at least one in each group and some had more than one and it looked like it was taking a long time - the guys who were marshalling today were saying a lot of people were warned and put on the clock , lot of long rounds. The crowds there at the moment are just below what normally they get for the Seniors and the expect a lot more of Saturday. The ladies are being brilliant with the crowds afterwards and a lot of the local juniors from clubs are doing the scoreboard carrying

Everyone ive spoke to said how painfully slow it was and more importantly felt. the constant lining up from caddies and aim pointing makes it very hard viewing, was planning on popping over tomorrow but not sure I will now

 

[Fish]

They (BBC) would show a player close up on the tee preparing themselves to drive, then they'd switch to an ariel view so you couldn't see the players swing, absolute tosh viewing at times.

I hope Sky wins all the golf in the future.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Everyone ive spoke to said how painfully slow it was and more importantly felt. the constant lining up from caddies and aim pointing makes it very hard viewing, was planning on popping over tomorrow but not sure I will now

It was hard to watch this afternoon - apart from Charley Hull - very refreshing and doesnt mess around . But the shot clocks must be well over 2 mins per shot.

Watching some of them Aimpoint - Wie was taking about 4 "readings" on each putt and then from behind as well and someone else in her group was doing it as well. Seems very popular with the ladies and the Marshalls were saying it seemed to take forever on the green

 

[HomerJSimpson]

They (BBC) would show a player close up on the tee preparing themselves to drive, then they'd switch to an ariel view so you couldn't see the players swing, absolute tosh viewing at times.

I hope Sky wins all the golf in the future.

You and me both

 

[Garush34]

This is BBC coverage of the event


BBC Sport brings you live coverage of the 2016 Women's British Open at Woburn Golf Club.

Schedule

Thursday, 28 July

13:00-17:15, BBC Two

Friday, 29 July

13:00-17:15, BBC Two

Saturday, 30 July

14:00-18:00, BBC Two

Sunday, 31 July

14:00-18:00, BBC Two

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07mng1v Clearly states it's on red button, but I now notice it says satellite and cable, so that's why I couldn't get it.

 

[3565]

I went to watch it today, and whilst it was more relatable watching women's golf to the men's, you found the time they took to actually talk about the shot in question with their caddies were longer then any aimpoint, green reading of 360*, or caddies lining up their players on shots or putts. I watched Ko on 11 and her discussion with her caddy for a 60yd chip out on to the fairway on the par 5 11th was silly TBH. Whilst she was asking Marshalls to drop the ropes, the caddy paced from her ball to get over the bunker onto the fairway.

Cant exactly remember what was said but similar

Whats the number to clear the bunker?
45.
45?
Yes you just need to clear the bunker by 10yds
ok, and the fairway runs away?
yeah yeah.

Then she discusses the lie of her ball with him and club selection saying is it right club, and got a slight ball below feet, then practise swings and another confirmation of yardage, then back to caddy to wipe on towel then back to ball, caddy checks he alignment says 'good' then swings and knocks the ball 30yards past the bunker to other side but I didn't see where she finished as I left her.

But I checked back later with them and they did seem to be a lot quicker then they were earlier on in the round. So they must of had a warning.

But out overall it was good to watch them, even if they did seem to take their time.

 

[Slab]

Caught the highlights show this morning. Agree with Del, cracking round from Mirim Lee

Can't say I'm a huge fan of caddies lining up their player but no great objection to it. They aren't there just as baggage handlers and pretty sure its just habitual now and part of the PSR as I don't see them or the player making any corrections, its always 'good'

 

[delc]

Caught the highlights show this morning. Agree with Del, cracking round from Mirim Lee

Can't say I'm a huge fan of caddies lining up their player but no great objection to it. They aren't there just as baggage handlers and pretty sure its just habitual now and part of the PSR as I don't see them or the player making any corrections, its always 'good'

I am sure that the practice of caddies lining up players from behind the line should be banned. As an amateur golfer I have to line myself up, and I would have thought that pro golfers should be better at it than I am. That is if they haven't forgotten how to do it because their caddie always does it for them!

 

[Slab]

I am sure that the practice of caddies lining up players from behind the line should be banned. As an amateur golfer I have to line myself up, and I would have thought that pro golfers should be better at it than I am. That is if they haven't forgotten how to do it because their caddie always does it for them!

Really? Only if you don't take your caddy or they're banned as a condition of the comp

Other than that I can't think of a reason you cant have them assist you with the line. Is there a rule of golf for it?

 

[delc]

Really? Only if you don't take your caddy or they're banned as a condition of the comp

Other than that I can't think of a reason you cant have them assist you with the line. Is there a rule of golf for it?

If I place an alignment rod or a club shaft on the ground to indicate the line of play during a stipulated round, that is a breach of the rules. Also caddies and playing partners are not allowed to stand directly behind the player while he actually makes his shot now. So why should they be allowed to do so beforehand? Note that caddies always step away from the line of play before the player makes his or her shot so that they don't breach that rule.

 

[Slab]

If I place an alignment rod or a club shaft on the ground to indicate the line of play during a stipulated round, that is a breach of the rules. Also caddies and playing partners are not allowed to stand directly behind the player while he actually makes his shot now. So why should they be allowed to do so beforehand? Note that caddies always step away from the line of play before the player makes his or her shot so that they don't breach that rule.

What?
What relevance is that?

You said "I am sure that the practice of caddies lining up players from behind the line should be banned. As an amateur golfer I have to line myself up..."

I didn't think this was true and thought that you (even as an amateur golfer) could also have a caddy line you up providing they're not banned by a condition of comp

Then you've gone off on a tangent about alignment sticks and guidance for when a caddy should move away! (Neither of which stops you having a caddy)



as a post script: you'd be right about using training aids but I think its ok to put a club on the ground to indicate line of play during a stipulated round without breaching any rule
Obviously you'd remove it before making a stroke as that would be a breach, but nowt stopping you placing one there for a look-see at your line (with the obvious proviso about leaving a mark or impression etc etc etc)

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Caught the highlights show this morning. Agree with Del, cracking round from Mirim Lee

Can't say I'm a huge fan of caddies lining up their player but no great objection to it. They aren't there just as baggage handlers and pretty sure its just habitual now and part of the PSR as I don't see them or the player making any corrections, its always 'good'

And it does damn all for the pace of play! Not likely to improve the game as a spectacle.

 

[Slab]

And it does damn all for the pace of play! Not likely to improve the game as a spectacle.

No idea, I just wear glasses for reading so don't use them on the course


(Sorry its Friday)


When I've seen it though the start to finish putt time from address to stroke (including a caddy line up) doesn't seem different to a player without the caddy
Plenty of the guys at the PGA took just as long after address and before they pulled the trigger on a putt

 

[Deleted member 18588]

No idea, I just wear glasses for reading so don't use them on the course


(Sorry its Friday)


When I've seen it though the start to finish putt time from address to stroke (including a caddy line up) doesn't seem different to a player without the caddy
Plenty of the guys at the PGA took just as long after address and before they pulled the trigger on a putt

But with the women in question it is not just putts where they rely upon the caddy for alignment, it i also full shots.

God knows the pace of play in mens tournaments needs addressing but Woburn yesterday was something else.

Bear in mind that the course itself was not exactly the longest and there are no in built hold ups like shared fairways or Old Course style joint greens and you might wonder why rounds were taking 5 hours.

 

[Slab]

But with the women in question it is not just putts where they rely upon the caddy for alignment, it i also full shots.

God knows the pace of play in mens tournaments needs addressing but Woburn yesterday was something else.

Bear in mind that the course itself was not exactly the longest and there are no in built hold ups like shared fairways or Old Course style joint greens and you might wonder why rounds were taking 5 hours.

Got to agree that pace is a huge issue for live televised golf, and they both need to start issuing meaningful penalties (if they can do it for a disputed ball movement on a slick green they can do it for the slow-pokes)

Course length not sure though, isn't that just due to the physical difference in distance off the tee and allows the course and its hazards to be played as the designer/comp organisers set it up. You could move the ladies back but would likely mean that lots of hazards no longer in play (& often they'd walk past the other tees to get to the ladies ones so 'travel distance' is not really that different)

Saw Day yesterday, he didn't even start talking to his caddy about the shot till it was his turn to play his 2nd shot (when the camera would be on him) so I think both tours have their problems and couldn't say one was worse because of a caddy lining up, esp as he's doing it concurrently to the players PSR