Women playing with men

[Heidi]

as an alpha female?! i've played with cat 1 ladies - and they make the game look so easy! beautiful swings, hit the ball nice and long and straight, no faffing about, straight onto the green and one or two putts...

one day that'll be me...!

 

[the_scrambler]

Think they'll really struggle with that one Doon as I'm sure you're aware that only 2% of british female golfers even have a single figure h'cap. As for low category one ... I think they were all at Nairn!(lol)

 

[FairwayDodger]

Think they'll really struggle with that one Doon as I'm sure you're aware that only 2% of british female golfers even have a single figure h'cap. As for low category one ... I think they were all at Nairn!(lol)

Wow - I'm so I'm nearly in the top 2%??? Need a qualifying comp soon!

I played with a guy off +1. He was a great player - easy swing, brilliant ball striking etc. I told myself that, as a female, I could never hit the ball like him. Then I played a match against a 2 handicap lady and I realised I was wrong. OK she didn't have the same length as him but struck the ball every bit as well and wasn't struggling for distance.

 

[drawboy]

Your misses must love you......:mmm:

Working all week then at the golf club all weekend? What does she get to do to get away from it all and have some time out from you?

Mmmmmn, It's like this, I do work all week and damn hard too, I go to the gc at 6am, tee off around 7-730 after a quick coke I'm back home to take the missus into town for the afternoon for her well deserved break, pictures or pub and meal, whatever she fancies. Not a total pig then eh?

 

[IanLeeds]

Well drawboy!!!!

Move from one forum to another one to discuss this, I actually like this topic!

I play in the "Clique" which drawboy is talking about who yes had a man and wife join us, Bert and Gert more like Brian and Linda? Come on mate your starting to let yourself down, luckily I know you and know your not what some of the people have said however if I didn't know you it would probably come across as they stated. Linda actually plays off 16 and is very long off the tee, she does not hold up the play and plays very good golf again I do not what your issue is.

my issues again

 

[MadAdey]

Mmmmmn, It's like this, I do work all week and damn hard too, I go to the gc at 6am, tee off around 7-730 after a quick coke I'm back home to take the missus into town for the afternoon for her well deserved break, pictures or pub and meal, whatever she fancies. Not a total pig then eh?

That's fair enough then mate. But the way you come across is that you play golf because you can't stand being with your misses at the weekend.

 

[louise_a]

you say you want to get away from women when you play golf, so you can have a laugh with your mates, women have a sense of humour too. Why the desperate need to get away anyway, do you work with them all day?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I have always been a bit suspicious of all male golf clubs.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Scrambler
Out of interest do you know the percentage of male golfers who have a single figure handicap?

 

[drawboy]

Well drawboy!!!!

Move from one forum to another one to discuss this, I actually like this topic!

I play in the "Clique" which drawboy is talking about who yes had a man and wife join us, Bert and Gert more like Brian and Linda? Come on mate your starting to let yourself down, luckily I know you and know your not what some of the people have said however if I didn't know you it would probably come across as they stated. Linda actually plays off 16 and is very long off the tee, she does not hold up the play and plays very good golf again I do not what your issue is.

my issues again

TBH Ianleeds I have laid down my reasons for not wanting to play with women, I have no issues with the people involved, I have not met them and do not know them. I'm sure they are wonderfull people but I do not want to play with his wife. If he wants to play with her then let him get on with it and not involve other people who may not want to be forced into the situation. If you do not mind well then good on you I'm glad for you I hope you have many many lovely rounds together. I will not be though. Again it is Only my opinion, not a personal attack on anyone. I do not want to play with women. There is a ladies section who I am sure will love to have a good lady golfer as a member. In my opinion that is where she should be, not in a male swindle. That is my point not that she should not be playing just where she is playing.

 

[harvey4banger]

TBH Ianleeds I have laid down my reasons for not wanting to play with women, I have no issues with the people involved, I have not met them and do not know them. I'm sure they are wonderfull people but I do not want to play with his wife. If he wants to play with her then let him get on with it and not involve other people who may not want to be forced into the situation. If you do not mind well then good on you I'm glad for you I hope you have many many lovely rounds together. I will not be though. Again it is Only my opinion, not a personal attack on anyone. I do not want to play with women. There is a ladies section who I am sure will love to have a good lady golfer as a member. In my opinion that is where she should be, not in a male swindle. That is my point not that she should not be playing just where she is playing.

Got to agree, it's your own choice if you want to play with women or not, as I'm sure many women dont like the thought of playing with men, again their choice.

If I get drawn with a lady in a club comp, I will play with her no problem, same as if I get drawn with a junior, I will be the perfect playing partner, but if I had choice I'd rather not.

 

[the_scrambler]

Scrambler
Out of interest do you know the percentage of male golfers who have a single figure handicap?

Good question Doon. Unfortunately, ah hivnae a clue! With everything being computerised these days, I suppose I could check our club's h'cap list which may offer some clue. You'll have to wait though as my husband's at the golf course and has left me with a list of chores to get through before he gets home.:fore:

 

[GeneralStore]

Good chirp Heidi! Hmmm...chips.

It seems a little harsh that everyone is trying to pick on Drawboy for having an opinion. To many people are so stressed about what is politically correct in this day and age that to say that he doesnt want to play with x or y is seen as a terrible and backward thing.

I am pretty sure that if any lady knew how he felt they wouldnt want to play with him neither, as they have stated on this thread, no big deal

There have also been quite a few threads regarding low handicappers not wanting to play with high handicappers, surely its their perogative as well, but thats not seen as being a 'dinosaur'?

 

[need_my_wedge]

Not really sure why you're getting your knickers in a tizz here. She wasn't forced on your clique, so you didn't have to play with her anyways........

If she had been forced on your clique, you have the right to say no thanks, I don't want to play with you today, you could then drop out with any of the other chauvinists that don't want to play golf with a woman, and play in your own happy group.

 

[FairwayDodger]

Ach it's kind of getting sadder with every post.

Yes, everyone has a right to choose which individuals they do and don't play with - no issues with that. Problem is some guys on here are saying they will not play with any woman just because she's a woman. Sorry but that's not OK.

DB, from what you say there are only 10 women at your club FFS and you are suggesting they should play with each other or not at all.

I realise many men don't like women but misogyny really shouldn't be acceptable in this day and age any more than racism or homophobia or any other discrimination.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Sorry Scrambler I thought you were a male on the wind up [I'm new]

Most 'anti's' have the stats of things they oppose as opposed to things that they don't oppose.

 

[barrybridges]

Going back to one of the earlier comments (might even have been from the OP)...

My knowledge of the law gets hazier over time, but I do proclaim to have studied it for my degree - as such, I'm pretty confident in saying that any club who charges men and women different amounts for the same privelidges is absolutely, undeniably and completely breaking the law.

Not to throw a cat amongst the pigeons, but whoever posted that might want to have a chat with the club secretary and suggest they take some legal advice (don't involve lawyers and waste money, but I'm sure amongst your membership there must be the odd solicitor or barrister?).

I believe the same principles also apply for age-related discrimination; however, the idea of 'discounting' prices for certain underrepresented groups (e.g. young people) is a very different kettle of fish for discounting based on gender, as women-only memberships of your golf club are unlikely to be 'under-representative' of the sport as a whole (if that makes sense - e.g. very few women (sadly) play golf, but your club's mix of men/women is probably in line with the sport's average, so there is no need to discount to encourage more women).

Anyway, rant over - just a thought.

 

[FairwayDodger]

Going back to one of the earlier comments (might even have been from the OP)...

My knowledge of the law gets hazier over time, but I do proclaim to have studied it for my degree - as such, I'm pretty confident in saying that any club who charges men and women different amounts for the same privelidges is absolutely, undeniably and completely breaking the law.

Not to throw a cat amongst the pigeons, but whoever posted that might want to have a chat with the club secretary and suggest they take some legal advice (don't involve lawyers and waste money, but I'm sure amongst your membership there must be the odd solicitor or barrister?).

I believe the same principles also apply for age-related discrimination; however, the idea of 'discounting' prices for certain underrepresented groups (e.g. young people) is a very different kettle of fish for discounting based on gender, as women-only memberships of your golf club are unlikely to be 'under-representative' of the sport as a whole (if that makes sense - e.g. very few women (sadly) play golf, but your club's mix of men/women is probably in line with the sport's average, so there is no need to discount to encourage more women).

Anyway, rant over - just a thought.

Hey Barry - totally agree everyone should pay the same for the same rights.

Let me understand your logic though.... no case for encouraging women to play golf because, er, not many of them play golf......?

 

[barrybridges]

Hey Barry - totally agree everyone should pay the same for the same rights.

Let me understand your logic though.... no case for encouraging women to play golf because, er, not many of them play golf......?

Hi FD - that wasn't quite my point (which I don't think I explained clearly).

As far as I can recall - and my powers of recollection ARE weak - the legal issue is that a provider of services CAN discount the price of those services to a specific target audience if the discount is designed to address an underrepresentation in the access to those services on offer.

So, for example, under 18s get a discounted bus fare. This is because it affects all under 18s equally (no gender bias) and is designed to reflect the fact that without that discount, fewer uner 18s would use it because they don't have the same level of access as over 18s (e.g. cost relative to income).

The issue with under-representation of women in golf is that - although it is terrible that so few women play golf - they could - if they wish - play golf and have the same level of access as men do.

The issue of whether many women DO decide to play golf is separate - and you must treat it separately. The point is - golf is open to men and women. On an affordability test, there's no difference.

So, golf clubs are free to discount membership to young people because to do otherwise would mean it would be pro-rata more expensive for young people to play than older people, and would damage the uptake of the sport amongst that demographic.

Simply 'discounting' the sport for women is using the wrong tool to solve the wrong problem, because affordability is not the reason why women don't play golf.

I may have misinterpreted the law in parts, but I'm confident that what I've said is largely correct. You have to charge men and women the same amount these days.

Hence why the insurance industry is now up-in-arms because they can't charge men and women different premiums on the basis of gender being a factor in accidents.

 

[barrybridges]

By the way, I believe this kicks in 21st December 2012.