D-S
Well-known member
Any idea what EG mean by this? I would have thought that if a club had switched the tees off in the WHS portal then they were saying that for one of a few reasons their course was not acceptable for handicapping that day.
WHS & ISV Issues (Please post only if you are a handicap secretary or involved in admin at your club)
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wjemather
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Unfortunately, that is not always the case. As it says in the video - it's best to check with the course before your round.
We've seen clubs that have turned tees off because they only want their members to use their ISV, others who have simply neglected to turn them back on when the course is acceptable, and some who mistakenly believe scores shouldn't be submitted in winter.
D-S
Well-known member
Thanks, I can see that now, although their reference to 'alternative markers' is a bit confusing.
However, in my experience it's normally the other way round with clubs still having all their tees available despite only having forward unacceptable tees with the yellow or whatever markers plonked alongside them. Perhaps it would be good for EG to ask players to check that the course they are submitting a scorecard on is actually acceptable too.
The clubs that can and do turn their tees off tend to be a bit more clued up than some others.
rulie
Head Pro
I thought EG were more "related" to clubs that individual golfers? Shouldn't the guidance go to the clubs first, in order for them to get their ducks in a row?
wjemather
Well-known member
Yes, clubs not switching markers off, especially in winter, is a more frequent problem.
wjemather
Well-known member
Clubs will have received all the relevant guidance, but unfortunately it doesn't always reach the appropriate people, or get understood and acted upon when it does.
Getting information to the right people is not an easy task when there are so many different types of club/course, with a wide range of people holding relevant positions of responsibility who may or may not be invested in doing things the right way.
wjemather
Well-known member
We're almost a year into using IG now, and my list of functionality that is frustratingly lacking is still getting longer...
This one is regarding adding 'wildcard'/'ghost' players to shorthanded sides. For example, a 2-person side in a best 2 from 3 bowmaker is allocated a random player's score from the field to make up their score; in a scramble they get a dummy bogey player to boost their Playing Handicap; etc.
When we used ClubV1, we simply created 'ghost' member accounts and set their handicaps accordingly when needed. Unfortunately, IG requires member handicaps to come from WHS, which would require creating and managing dummy accounts there - not ideal. As a workaround, I've been creating visitor records (as their handicaps can be set simply in IG - not being able to subsequently edit their handicaps is another item on my list!) and flipping the comp to "open" and back to "member" in order to use them in the comps.
Does anyone have another/better way? Thanks in advance.
This one is regarding adding 'wildcard'/'ghost' players to shorthanded sides. For example, a 2-person side in a best 2 from 3 bowmaker is allocated a random player's score from the field to make up their score; in a scramble they get a dummy bogey player to boost their Playing Handicap; etc.
When we used ClubV1, we simply created 'ghost' member accounts and set their handicaps accordingly when needed. Unfortunately, IG requires member handicaps to come from WHS, which would require creating and managing dummy accounts there - not ideal. As a workaround, I've been creating visitor records (as their handicaps can be set simply in IG - not being able to subsequently edit their handicaps is another item on my list!) and flipping the comp to "open" and back to "member" in order to use them in the comps.
Does anyone have another/better way? Thanks in advance.
badgergm
Newbie
We have a new joiner (to England club) from Australia. I have link number etc. Is there a way of transferring handicap automatically or am I reduced to getting last 20 scores from him and inputting manually?
wjemather
Well-known member
There's no interoperability between the England Golf & Golf Australia WHS software, so you'll need to input the scores manually.
You may be able to register on the GA system and retrieve their scoring record yourself.
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
Manually unfortunately
Golfie
New member
Does anyone know if there is an easy way of administering a stab medal. Front 9 medal score minus back 9 stableford points - results to be given on the day? We use ClubV1.
NearHull
Well-known member
We have the same issue. We’ve set up ‘Acceptable’ Stableford on ClubV1 and then will manually score the cards.
D-S
Well-known member
A club has had a score from an R&A comp who surprisingly cannot/do not upload scores to player's records but ask clubs to do it. They request that the PCC is adjusted manually prior to entry. I cannot see a way to do this except by artificially reducing or increasing a player's score on one hole. This seems a clumsy way of getting the correct differential - is there a more obvious or better way?
wjemather
Well-known member
My understanding is that that is the recommended method.
Hard to see how there will ever be a non-zero PCC for R&A comps when almost none of the scores will get submitted on the day, and they likely have exclusive use of the course.
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
Think the worst thing is the fact the R&A can’t submit the scores ?
D-S
Well-known member
Surprisingly the PCC that the R&A said had to be manually added was minus 1, normally we see plus PCCs in such events.
This does seem to be a poor way of bodging the system to create the desired outcome.
wjemather
Well-known member
Just current limitations of the software & interoperability.
pete_k
New member
Anyone else been having problems with members without a handicap pre-registering a round on ClubV1? We're getting a "The primary handicap record for this person does not exist" error. First line support has confirmed the member setup looks correct and have passed it to second line support, but I thought I might get a quicker response here.
IanMcC
Well-known member
This is a post from last winter. Out of season we run 10 and 15 hole comps, and have printed cards with rationalised Stroke Indexes to suit. Last year we were receiving incorrect allowances. We finally figured out this was because of the introduction of CR-Par last year. (see posts #1962 to #1974.) Our Competition secretary is still using the incorrect 18 hole courses for these comps, so the card stroke indexes are all wrong. Does anyone know if Club Systems have sorted this out yet? They sent a message saying they had. I imagine they would have to drop the Course rating accordingly to account for the drop in Par. (I dont have access to Club Systems admin anymore, sorry.)
wjemather
Well-known member
Iit sounds like what your competition secretary is doing is correct.
For 10-17 hole comps, the full 18 hole course is used with the unplayed holes simply excluded as not played; and the usual 18 hole handicap is used with strokes allocated as per the Stroke Indexes on the 18 hole card.
If you want a set of tees with different stroke indexes (to better suit the reduced course), you would need to request that via EG...
...unless the usual conditions for handicapping are not met, in which case you can just create a new card in ClubV1 with whatever SIs you like, just not linked to WHS.
