Who is ultimately responsible for your handicap?

[Farneyman]

Found myself in a situation at the weekend where I played like a diddy at the Millport open on Saturday, not even close to buffer, .1 up for me took me from 13.4 to 13.5

Played a medal on Sunday at my home club, should I have played off 13, which the club computer had me off, or off 14?

Played rubbish in medal for another .1 so the extra shot would have made no difference.

So my question is was I correct to play off 14 even though my home club hadn't the chance to change it before medal to 14 or should I have stayed off 13?

I have been given both answers so am a bit confused and hope someone here can clarify the ruling.

Thanks

 

[duncan mackie]

you are responsible for reducing your handicap - increases only take effect when published.

your handicap on Sunday was 13 from what you have said.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Definitely 13. If you had played well in the open you have to cut yourself against CSS for the comp but if that isn't known, you use SSS. You aren't allowed to adjust yourself upwards though, you have to wait for the handicaps to be published

 

[FairwayDodger]

you are responsible for reducing your handicap - increases only take effect when published.

your handicap on Sunday was 13 from what you have said.

Even though it was an "away" score?

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Even though it was an "away" score?

Yep, the away club should either adjust the h'caps through the CDH or provide you or your club with the comp results such that you home club can adjust your h'cap accordingly. If neither had been done before the club comp, you play off your current officially published h'cap unless you would have been cut as per my previous post

 

[duncan mackie]

Even though it was an "away" score?

makes no difference at all, and shouldn't.

and that's from someone who has twice had to play from to lower handicap this season because of delays.

the line is clearly drawn in the handicap regulations

 

[Farneyman]

So would this mean if a player played a 36 hole event and shot under par in first round, which warranted a cut for the next round, they would still play of higher handicap? Because their club can't publish new hc?


Just reread previous posts again...you can cut yourself but increase, is it as simple as that?

 

[duncan mackie]

So would this mean if a player played a 36 hole event and shot under par in first round, which warranted a cut for the next round, they would still play of higher handicap? Because their club can't publish new hc?

normally yes - because you could start the next round before everyone has finished the first and it's even known (from CSS) whether you have exceeded your buffer!

 

[Farneyman]

normally yes - because you could start the next round before everyone has finished the first and it's even known (from CSS) whether you have exceeded your buffer!

I think I started this thread too late lol my brain is frazzled thinking about this one...

 

[palindromicbob]

Even though it was an "away" score?

Yup. You are responsible to make steps to ensure your playing of the correct handicap if a cut may be due (base calculation on SSS if CSS isn't available) but you can't increase until it's posted. A comp may be declared "reductions only" if CSS indicates it and therefore the 0.1 you are expecting may not apply.

Good news though. Report the fact you played off an incorrect handicap to the club, get your score DQ'd for the Sunday and see if you can stick at 13.5

 

[Foxholer]

So would this mean if a player played a 36 hole event and shot under par in first round, which warranted a cut for the next round, they would still play of higher handicap? Because their club can't publish new hc?


Just reread previous posts again...you can cut yourself but increase, is it as simple as that?

36 hole Comps are slightly different - they are normally (though not always) played off the same handicap for both rounds - provided there isn't too much time between rounds.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

So would this mean if a player played a 36 hole event and shot under par in first round, which warranted a cut for the next round, they would still play of higher handicap? Because their club can't publish new hc?


Just reread previous posts again...you can cut yourself but increase, is it as simple as that?

Most if not all 36 hole events are played off of starting handicap so there is no mid round cut therefore it is irrelevent. Your h'cap is adjusted afterwards on a per round basis.

This means that if you were on 9.4 as I was earlier this year and score 4 over h'cap (ignoring SSS\CSS for now) then although you would continue to play the second round off of 9, your h'cap for the 2nd round would be worked out off of 10

 

[Iaing]

So would this mean if a player played a 36 hole event and shot under par in first round, which warranted a cut for the next round, they would still play of higher handicap? Because their club can't publish new hc?


Just reread previous posts again...you can cut yourself but increase, is it as simple as that?

I think the premise is that it's a 36 hole comp, not a 2 x 18 hole comp. ( if played on the same day ). So you play 36 holes with same hcp, then it's adjusted as normal after the comp.

 

[Twire]

Good news though. Report the fact you played off an incorrect handicap to the club, get your score DQ'd for the Sunday and see if you can stick at 13.5

Your handicap will still be adjusted with a DQ (up or down)

 

[duncan mackie]

Good news though. Report the fact you played off an incorrect handicap to the club, get your score DQ'd for the Sunday and see if you can stick at 13.5

I realise that you have put a smiley here but, if the competition had been closed at the point that he became aware of the situation, he is not DQ'd.

 

[FairwayDodger]

Yup. You are responsible to make steps to ensure your playing of the correct handicap if a cut may be due (base calculation on SSS if CSS isn't available) but you can't increase until it's posted. A comp may be declared "reductions only" if CSS indicates it and therefore the 0.1 you are expecting may not apply.

Yes, but I didn't think that was the question. If you play an away comp, the comp is closed, results and CSS have been published and you've reported the details back to your club but it takes them a week to update their computer you still have to play off the lower handicap? There's no ambiguity here - you are definitely going up 0.1 once your club get round to the admin.

You don't have that delay for a home comp - once the results are processed and CSS established your handicap is amended immediately.

 

[pbrown7582]

Afraid so you can't claim the 0.1 back cast iron guaranteed or not until your home club process the result.
A few have found it can take weeks for this to occur.

 

[Foxholer]

I think the premise is that it's a 36 hole comp, not a 2 x 18 hole comp. ( if played on the same day ). So you play 36 holes with same hcp, then it's adjusted as normal after the comp.

Actually, it doesn't need to be a 'same day' one. Certainly most (I believe all) Club Championships that are played over Saturday/Sunday use the Saturday starting handicap for Sunday too. I have also heard of one where consecutive Saturdays were used and the second Saturday handicaps were used. Any comp/match midweek used results from Round 1 though as they were actually published. It was an unusual situation - a washout of Day 2.

 

[FairwayDodger]

Afraid so you can't claim the 0.1 back cast iron guaranteed or not until your home club process the result.
A few have found it can take weeks for this to occur.

Now that would be annoying! Bad enough knowing your handicap is going up without having to juggle it for weeks. Imagine playing several opens during that period, getting some cuts (which you have to apply) and some 0.1s (which you can't). Think I'd be giving the handicap secretary a bit of earache!

 

[duncan mackie]

Now that would be annoying! Bad enough knowing your handicap is going up without having to juggle it for weeks. Imagine playing several opens during that period, getting some cuts (which you have to apply) and some 0.1s (which you can't). Think I'd be giving the handicap secretary a bit of earache!

I had 4 x 0.1 that were aquired over 7 weeks...they didn't matter to playing handicap until I went down to 9.2 with a home result and had to play off 9 in 2 events before they caught up. It wasn't our H/C secs fault at all, I was letting them work through the system because it didn't matter - they didn't and then it did

Such is life

In the US system adjustments both ways only happen once a month for most golfers, regardless of success or failure .