who is in the right?

[Deleted member 15344]

Only thing I would say is - did you suggest to any of your playing partners to go before if you are worried and is there any signs telling you to wait ?

Whilst they were wrong to shout at you in the way they do - I don't think you can wait to play shots on a "just in case" basis because you could be waiting forever and if someone can see its clear ahead they will be a bit annoyed being held up

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Only thing I would say is - did you suggest to any of your playing partners to go before if you are worried and is there any signs telling you to wait ?

Whilst they were wrong to shout at you in the way they do - I don't think you can wait to play shots on a "just in case" basis because you could be waiting forever and if someone can see its clear ahead they will be a bit annoyed being held up

I offered anyone else to go and they said we going to wait aswell as even the 11 handicapper (the lowest in the group) wasnt 100% sure as we had 30mph gusts of wind today going right to left so could have pushed the shot left of the green easily

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I offered anyone else to go and they said we going to wait aswell as even the 11 handicapper (the lowest in the group) wasnt 100% sure as we had 30mph gusts of wind today going right to left so could have pushed the shot left of the green easily

If there is a wind that strong, surely it makes sense to wait. As you said in the OP better safe than sorry and even a near miss is only going to get the pros in front annoyed and cause you a potential issue

 

[Robster59]

Absolutely in the right. If you were being held up anyway you were going to catch up with the group in front fast enough.
Safety first is absolutely right and people who moaned at you are just being planks. I feel sorry for the club as members like that can ruin their reputation.
Taking their name is a good idea as if there is an issue, the club needs to know who the members involved are, otherwise they can't address it.

 

[TomTom]

Where was it?

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Where was it?

Wanstead Golf club

I have sent an email to their general manager and the contact form highlighting my experience today.

lets see if I get a reply

 

[merv79]

Aside from the safety issue, it's also good etiquette waiting for group in front to tee off like you did.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Aside from the safety issue, it's also good etiquette waiting for group in front to tee off like you did.

Thats how I have always been brought up by my father and grandfather who whilst never played top courses always the local council course always instilled good etiquette into me.

like if I hit anywhere near where someone is shout as loud as I can and when I go to my ball make sure to applogise for almost hitting them.

that and can never say I'm a slow player I always play to what's in front, my mate and I did his local in 2 hours 45 with no-one in front of us and I've done my local 9 hole twice round in 2 hours 20 on my own

its all to do with what's in front!

 

[Region3]

Aside from the safety issue, it's also good etiquette waiting for group in front to tee off like you did.

100%

Even if you hit a great shot that lands in the middle of the green it's a bit disconcerting hearing a ball land just behind you when you're playing a shot.

 

[guest100718]

hit the ball. shout fore

 

[ScienceBoy]

They should ask IMO, sometimes it's good to question but they have to be prepared to accept the response you gave.

Asking isn't the problem, playing when it isn't safe would be!

I try not to be offended when people question things, sadly very few are prepared to accept the answer given as they assume they are correct before you even open your mouth!

 

[lukeysafc100]

You were in the right. To save 5 mins isn't worth someone getting hurt.
We have a par 3 tee box 10 yards to the right of a par 4 green and the club have signage up saying wait for people to tee off the par 3 first before hitting into the green.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Little update

I emailed them tuesday evening about the situation

just got this back from the general manager

"Paul I do not know what to say; all of the good work that one does can be undone in an instant. I am attempting to get to the bottom of this incident and establish who these characters were, although I am fairly certain that they were members, and I will come back to you. I unreservedly apologise of your game was spoilt, whoever these characters turn out to be. Best, Bob"

Must say Im impressed with A. a speedy reply, B. a reply at all and C a possible actually getting to the bottom of it

 

[Slab]

Glad there appears to be some commitment to talk to the members about how they talk to visitors but I don't think either party were 'right' (although it could just be the way the abridged version is written in the OP)

You said you intended to wait before taking your shot for the risk of hitting other players
You also said the group behind shouted at you to play... so you did!

Sorry but it was either safe or unsafe to take your shot, you appear to have changed your mind and taken the shot even though it wasn't clear yet

If it was unsafe/a risk, then you shouldn't have played regardless of the shout from behind

And yes, they were muppets for telling you to play

No one in the right as far as I can tell, sorry

 

[mikejohnchapman]

Maybe Ive mis understood the lay out of your course., but surely if the green was clear you would play? If the next group is on the next tee then theres nothing to worry about, as surely regardless of the pro event you'd play if they were just normal members?

Also depends on the length of the hole. On a lot of traditional courses the next tee is often very near the green so a misdirected shot can be dangerous if the group in front aren't aware.

We had an incident recently at Royal Porthcawl when playing a 200 yd par 3 in awful conditions. Tee was 15 - 20 yds from the pin. Both our group and the group behind played whilst the group in front were on the tee and in both cases frantic calls of four were needed as balls headed towards the tee. Fortunately noone was hit but if you had been at the top of your backswing I'm sure you would have hit a poor shot when the call came.

In the overall scheme of things waiting until they clear as against waiting to play your second on the next hole isn't an issue.

Suspect the members were just hacked off because their round was slow - but if they accept the benefits of a tournament then they need to get over it.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Glad there appears to be some commitment to talk to the members about how they talk to visitors but I don't think either party were 'right' (although it could just be the way the abridged version is written in the OP)

You said you intended to wait before taking your shot for the risk of hitting other players
You also said the group behind shouted at you to play... so you did!

Sorry but it was either safe or unsafe to take your shot, you appear to have changed your mind and taken the shot even though it wasn't clear yet

If it was unsafe/a risk, then you shouldn't have played regardless of the shout from behind

And yes, they were muppets for telling you to play

No one in the right as far as I can tell, sorry

when they had shouted we waited 30 seconds and the last pro had teed off and was walking up the fairway so the party was clear

 

[Slab]

when they had shouted we waited 30 seconds and the last pro had teed off and was walking up the fairway so the party was clear

That's good because as I say I was only able to work off the version outlined in the opening post:

"why are you waiting"

erm because the pros are just teeing off and I dont want to kill them

"just hit and shout fore, your holding us up"

how are we? we are literally on the heels of a pro event and their taking their time.. we cant go in front of them and I am not going to risk killing someone just so you can play 2 minutes quicker

"but you didnt hit them"

yes but I could have easily just a slight off line and I take someone out.. is it worth someones life just for 2 mins?


the exchange is all written in present tense not past tense (as if the tee was still occupied)

Sorry for getting it wrong

 

[Deleted member 21784]

That's good because as I say I was only able to work off the version outlined in the opening post:

"why are you waiting"

erm because the pros are just teeing off and I dont want to kill them

"just hit and shout fore, your holding us up"

how are we? we are literally on the heels of a pro event and their taking their time.. we cant go in front of them and I am not going to risk killing someone just so you can play 2 minutes quicker

"but you didnt hit them"

yes but I could have easily just a slight off line and I take someone out.. is it worth someones life just for 2 mins?


the exchange is all written in present tense not past tense (as if the tee was still occupied)

Sorry for getting it wrong

yeah I posted this soon as I got home so was still pretty angry so just typed without proof reading, I meant he implied but I had hit the green and not the tee so why did I wait

 

[user2010]

That's good because as I say I was only able to work off the version outlined in the opening post:

"why are you waiting"

erm because the pros are just teeing off and I dont want to kill them

"just hit and shout fore, your holding us up"

how are we? we are literally on the heels of a pro event and their taking their time.. we cant go in front of them and I am not going to risk killing someone just so you can play 2 minutes quicker

"but you didnt hit them"

yes but I could have easily just a slight off line and I take someone out.. is it worth someones life just for 2 mins?


the exchange is BADLY written in present tense not past tense (as if the tee was still occupied)

Sorry for getting it wrong

Fixed that for you.:thup:

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Nice response from the club and hopefully they'll be good to their word and find out who did it. They are right, it's incidents like that, down in a flash, that can undo months of good promotional work and PR that the club may have been doing