Who is going to win the premiership title.

FairwayDodger said:
Yes, quite pragmatic, but if Chelsea beat Liverpool they need 4 points from 2 games, not so cut and dried. OK, there's still Man City but I don't believe they won't lose any of those four games so still all to play for.... but only if Chelsea beat Liverpool....
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That is the thing though, even if Chelsea beat Liverpool they are relying on someone beating City and Chelsea still winning their final 2 games. IMO Chelski put them self out of it by not beating Sunderland as they are now relying on 2 teams both slipping up.
 
FairwayDodger said:
As a neutral, and all joking aside, I think it's a real shame the way Chelsea have been hit by injuries and suspensions ahead of the Liverpool game because it was shaping up to be a cracker. Hope Jose still has a go at it, I know I wouldn't be happy my team giving up a chance of the title so near the endgame.
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Likewise - at least for most of the injuries. Suspensions? Definitely not. they get what they deserve on that front.
 
Never ever known a team up until this year to give up on the premier league title when they still have a chance of winning it.

the chosen one will say at the end of this season, "I told you we could not win it", but by getting beat by a team who have only won one game in there last 10 Sunderland, well you could and should of won it.

Also you are trying to convince me that you are not good enough to win the premier league but good enough to win the champions league. There not mind games there Ming Mong games.

Liverpools to lose, city and Chelsea blew it an that's from a city fan.
 
Fish, I agree with you on not much help from the prem for English clubs, but we all should be used to it by now. Should clubs be able to dictate their own fixtures on one hand, then potentially harming the integrity of the prem by picking weakened sides? This isn't a slight at Chelsea, as lots of clubs have done it or would do it in similar circumstances. 2. I don't blame Chelsea too much for prioritising the Athletico game, but if its a woeful side against LFC, I do thing it is wrong. Injuries/suspensions are having a major say anyway,though. 3. I remember Liverpool having to play 2 games in 24 hours, because Ipswich wouldn't change a game to a Tuesday, so we played Sunday and Monday iirc. The fa said we could move it if Ipswich agreed, they wouldn't and we got a draw. 4. The vast majority of LFC fans I know locally wouldn't have wanted the oil baron shortcut, some would though, but the majority want us to ideally get success by a decent investment from an owner, help in re-building Anfield then using that money to hopefully get success.
 
MadAdey said:
That is the thing though, even if Chelsea beat Liverpool they are relying on someone beating City and Chelsea still winning their final 2 games. IMO Chelski put them self out of it by not beating Sunderland as they are now relying on 2 teams both slipping up.
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Yeah, Sunderland was the real slip up, and it may well be beyond them. However, I think it's too early for them to chuck it. If they win Sunday they "only" need one slip up from both Liverpool and Man C. It might not happen but it's not too far fetched to think it might. How will they feel if their weakened team scrapes a draw with Liverpool and then loses the league to them by just a couple of points...?

If Sunderland can beat them other teams can take points off Liverpool and Man C.
 
FairwayDodger said:
Yeah, Sunderland was the real slip up, and it may well be beyond them. However, I think it's too early for them to chuck it. If they win Sunday they "only" need one slip up from both Liverpool and Man C. It might not happen but it's not too far fetched to think it might. How will they feel if their weakened team scrapes a draw with Liverpool and then loses the league to them by just a couple of points...?

If Sunderland can beat them other teams can take points off Liverpool and Man C.
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and what if Chelsea fielded their strongest side on Sunday and got nothing from the game and got another couple of injuries, especially say to their keeper and had little left to compete against Athletico, its a double edged sword, damned if you do and damned if you don't.

If & Buts....
 
Fish said:
and what if Chelsea fielded their strongest side on Sunday and got nothing from the game and got another couple of injuries, especially say to their keeper and had little left to compete against Athletico, its a double edged sword, damned if you do and damned if you don't.

If & Buts....
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Exactly, this is one where hindsight will be 20/20!

For me, though, the Liverpool game is make or break for your championship hopes. I'd want my team to do their best and I'd cross my fingers for no more injuries before the CL match.

Put it another way, if you were already out of the CL would you still think the league wasn't winnable from this position?
 
FairwayDodger said:
Exactly, this is one where hindsight will be 20/20!

For me, though, the Liverpool game is make or break for your championship hopes. I'd want my team to do their best and I'd cross my fingers for no more injuries before the CL match.

Put it another way, if you were already out of the CL would you still think the league wasn't winnable from this position?
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Maureen was very disappointed that he never won the CL first time round with Chelsea - think it was his holy grail

He would love to win it with three different clubs to have his name above many other great names

Because Of that I can see why he is prioritising the CL over the prem
 
Fish said:
and what if Chelsea fielded their strongest side on Sunday and got nothing from the game and got another couple of injuries, especially say to their keeper and had little left to compete against Athletico, its a double edged sword, damned if you do and damned if you don't.

If & Buts....
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It is a tough one for Chelsea to decide on. Due to injuries and suspensions they are short on first choice players for the athletico match. So as you say Robin, say he does field his best team against Liverpool and wins, but picks up a couple of injuries and looses the Athletico match because of it.

Liverpool then go on to get the points they need to win the PL and City get second place. What did Chelsea achieve? 3rd place in the PL and knocked out in the semis of the CL becasue he tried to field his strongest team. On the other hand if he fields a weakened team and looses to Liverpool, then both City and Liverpool slip up and only win the league by 2 points from Chelsea, he will look stupid for not trying to beat Liverpool.
 
FairwayDodger said:
Exactly, this is one where hindsight will be 20/20!

For me, though, the Liverpool game is make or break for your championship hopes. I'd want my team to do their best and I'd cross my fingers for no more injuries before the CL match.

Put it another way, if you were already out of the CL would you still think the league wasn't winnable from this position?
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But the PL title is not in our total control any more, that is where the difference lies. Yes in the real world I'd like us to play our strongest and winning side all the time, but, in a game to keep us in contention for the title which is dependent on other results afterwards and very few games left, against a match 48hrs later within our total control to reach the CL final, the latter has to take priority now IMO.
 
Fish said:
But the PL title is not in our total control any more, that is where the difference lies. Yes in the real world I'd like us to play our strongest and winning side all the time, but, in a game to keep us in contention for the title which is dependent on other results afterwards and very few games left, against a match 48hrs later within our total control to reach the CL final, the latter has to take priority now IMO.
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It's a dilemma, for sure. I still think they should go for it. I also think they've more chance of winning the premiership now than the CL despite the relative mathematics involved..... but that's just a rather ill-informed opinion! :)

Just a shame two such huge games have cropped up back to back but I suppose that's the nature of being in contention at the "business" end of the season.
 
Our next (and last two at home) two games

V Man City (sun 4pm)

V Liverpool (bank hol Monday)

I m just going to love watching us have some say (possibly) where the league title is going. (Personally hope Liverpool do it after a 4-4 draw! :lol:)

Eeeeeeegles!
 
chrisd said:
Our next (and last two at home) two games

V Man City (sun 4pm)

V Liverpool (bank hol Monday)

I m just going to love watching us have some say (possibly) where the league title is going. (Personally hope Liverpool do it after a 4-4 draw! :lol:)

Eeeeeeegles!
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It'll be quite ironic really if after all the fuss over the Chelsea team that City fail to win at Selhurst on Sunday!
 
chrisd said:
Our next (and last two at home) two games

V Man City (sun 4pm)

V Liverpool (bank hol Monday)

I m just going to love watching us have some say (possibly) where the league title is going. (Personally hope Liverpool do it after a 4-4 draw! :lol:)

Eeeeeeegles!
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Bank Holiday Monday has the potential to be a wonderful day
 
chrisd said:
Our next (and last two at home) two games

V Man City (sun 4pm)

V Liverpool (bank hol Monday)

I m just going to love watching us have some say (possibly) where the league title is going. (Personally hope Liverpool do it after a 4-4 draw! :lol:)

Eeeeeeegles!
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I wonder if mentioning a 4-4 draw is an omen Chris, as it followed an emphatic 3-1 win at Anfield for us, in fact, the following season we won at Anfield again 2-0 and lifted the title :smirk: Oh I forgot, and when we got knocked out of the CL by the 'ghost goal', we went back to Anfield to prove a point and nailed them 4-1 and lifted the title again :whoo:
 
Fish said:
I wonder if mentioning a 4-4 draw is an omen Chris, as it followed an emphatic 3-1 win at Anfield for us, in fact, the following season we won at Anfield again 2-0 and lifted the title :smirk: Oh I forgot, and when we got knocked out of the CL by the 'ghost goal', we went back to Anfield to prove a point and nailed them 4-1 and lifted the title again :whoo:
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That 2-0 win at Anfield was one of those games where if we won we handed the title to United or lose and hand it to your lot. Lesser of the two evils 😠
 
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