Who is going to win the premiership title.

[Papas1982]

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are quite common setiments amongst the travelling support and many of the more vocal following not all but I would say a majority.
Does stem from the 98 world cup and beckhamgate, and the stand up if you hate man united ringing around wembley during england matches.

to to be fair, when a large portion of the crowd is standing up saying they hate your team I don't think it's that unreasonable to respond with opinions of your own. I don't know the reason why some Liverpudlians consider England as a chore. I get the fact they spend a lot of money supporting Liverpool. But it doesn't cost anything to be passionate about England. Some of their disdain confuses me.

Personally i I think it's easy to separate the two. Case in point, I think A cole is a snarling little runt, but I'd still take him over shaw as against the bugger nations I still think he's England's best defensive left back.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

to to be fair, when a large portion of the crowd is standing up saying they hate your team I don't think it's that unreasonable to respond with opinions of your own. I don't know the reason why some Liverpudlians consider England as a chore. I get the fact they spend a lot of money supporting Liverpool. But it doesn't cost anything to be passionate about England. Some of their disdain confuses me.

Personally i I think it's easy to separate the two. Case in point, I think A cole is a snarling little runt, but I'd still take him over shaw as against the bugger nations I still think he's England's best defensive left back.

If you can't understand it then I don't think you ever will

Tell me why I should be passionate about the England football team ?

 

[Papas1982]

If you can't understand it then I don't think you ever will

Tell me why I should be passionate about the England football team ?

Because you're English would be my obvious answer, and as you've told us you've served I thought your passion would encompass all things. But as I've already said, I have no interest in your opinion any further. If you'd like to explain why Liverpudlians in general don't care I'm all ears. As it's a general opinion shared by a lot of your supporters. Your personal reasons I have no care for.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Because you're English would be my obvious answer, and as you've told us you've served I thought your passion would encompass all things. But as I've already said, I have no interest in your opinion any further. If you'd like to explain why Liverpudlians in general don't care I'm all ears. As it's a general opinion shared by a lot of your supporters. Your personal reasons I have no care for.

Because Liverpudlians they feel have been dealt some very harsh cards in recent decades

Even one prime minister said some not very nice things about the City and wanting it left to rot

The City felt cut off by governments and then the cover up that happened after Hillsborough

There are many more reasons why Liverpudlians see themselves as "Scouse not English"

The one thing that has also kept the City full of pride was it's football teams - those teams stuck together through some awful times for the City when the rest of the country shunned them and the City got behind both teams and poured all their passions into supporting those teams.

That's just skimming over a little bit because it goes a lot deeper than that.

They aren't going to feel passion for a team they feel no connection too - a team based in the ivory towers of London , just because they are English doesn't mean people should automatically be passionate about them and support them.

 

[Slime]

Because Liverpudlians they feel have been dealt some very harsh cards in recent decades

Even one prime minister said some not very nice things about the City and wanting it left to rot

The City felt cut off by governments and then the cover up that happened after Hillsborough

There are many more reasons why Liverpudlians see themselves as "Scouse not English"

The one thing that has also kept the City full of pride was it's football teams - those teams stuck together through some awful times for the City when the rest of the country shunned them and the City got behind both teams and poured all their passions into supporting those teams.

That's just skimming over a little bit because it goes a lot deeper than that.

They aren't going to feel passion for a team they feel no connection too - a team based in the ivory towers of London , just because they are English doesn't mean people should automatically be passionate about them and support them.

Wouldn't it be great if Scouseland sought independence from England ..................... they'd certainly get my vote.


Slime.

 

[Papas1982]

Because Liverpudlians they feel have been dealt some very harsh cards in recent decades

Even one prime minister said some not very nice things about the City and wanting it left to rot

The City felt cut off by governments and then the cover up that happened after Hillsborough

There are many more reasons why Liverpudlians see themselves as "Scouse not English"

The one thing that has also kept the City full of pride was it's football teams - those teams stuck together through some awful times for the City when the rest of the country shunned them and the City got behind both teams and poured all their passions into supporting those teams.

That's just skimming over a little bit because it goes a lot deeper than that.

They aren't going to feel passion for a team they feel no connection too - a team based in the ivory towers of London , just because they are English doesn't mean people should automatically be passionate about them and support them.

well thats a t's a totally valid response, one that has cleared a lot up. I'm old enought to know of hillsborough but young enough to not remember it. So I obviously feel for the city of Liverpool, but it's not one I automatically think off.

I dont think wembley being in London should affect support personally. Most countries have their teams play in their capitals. That said, I preferred it when England went on tour. Think wembley was built because FIFA would never award us a World Cup without a national stadium.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

well thats a t's a totally valid response, one that has cleared a lot up. I'm old enought to know of hillsborough but young enough to not remember it. So I obviously feel for the city of Liverpool, but it's not one I automatically think off.

I dont think wembley being in London should affect support personally. Most countries have their teams play in their capitals. That said, I preferred it when England went on tour. Think wembley was built because FIFA would never award us a World Cup without a national stadium.

When the team went on tour around the country they got their best support ever

Most European teams travel around the country playing their games

Italy , Soain , Germany and France all travel to other clubs stadiums - England won't because they need to pay for stadium ( that was millions upon millions over budget )

If they did that you would find the support might well improve

 

[Pin-seeker]

Because Liverpudlians they feel have been dealt some very harsh cards in recent decades

Even one prime minister said some not very nice things about the City and wanting it left to rot

The City felt cut off by governments and then the cover up that happened after Hillsborough

There are many more reasons why Liverpudlians see themselves as "Scouse not English"

The one thing that has also kept the City full of pride was it's football teams - those teams stuck together through some awful times for the City when the rest of the country shunned them and the City got behind both teams and poured all their passions into supporting those teams.

That's just skimming over a little bit because it goes a lot deeper than that.

They aren't going to feel passion for a team they feel no connection too - a team based in the ivory towers of London , just because they are English doesn't mean people should automatically be passionate about them and support them.

Jesus wept I've heard it all now that same Prime Minister wasn't exactly kind to Barnsley's miners &'im pretty sure they felt cut off by the government. But that doesn't stop us now supporting the national team.
PS my dad was a miner & went through the strike.Thought I'd get that in to make my point more valid.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Well that was a bit of a nervy second half but got the three crucial points and back up to 2nd one point behind

 

[G1BB0]

a win is a win. I do think yet again the ref was poor but never mind its 3 points in the bag.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

a win is a win. I do think yet again the ref was poor but never mind its 3 points in the bag.

Yes the ref wasn't the greatest - Sunderland should have been down to ten and ref missed some clear free kicks

 

[Jack_bfc]

well thats a t's a totally valid response, one that has cleared a lot up. I'm old enought to know of hillsborough but young enough to not remember it. So I obviously feel for the city of Liverpool, but it's not one I automatically think off.

I dont think wembley being in London should affect support personally. Most countries have their teams play in their capitals. That said, I preferred it when England went on tour. Think wembley was built because FIFA would never award us a World Cup without a national stadium.

Its the same excuse rolled out by mancs as well as scousers..
As someone who has followed a lower league club all my life and followed England around Europe I can confirm very few premier league fans bothered with England until it became trendy again. And the vast majority of England away fans were Northerners. Not scousers or mancs, but lancastrians, yorkies and geordies.

Its nothing to do with politics or location. Its because scousers cant support Rooney and mancs cant support Gerrard etc.

Chips on both shoulders, Utd and Liverpool fans.. the blue side of both cities are more pragmatic and genuine football fans IMO...

 

[Papas1982]

Its the same excuse rolled out by mancs as well as scousers..
As someone who has followed a lower league club all my life and followed England around Europe I can confirm very few premier league fans bothered with England until it became trendy again. And the vast majority of England away fans were Northerners. Not scousers or mancs, but lancastrians, yorkies and geordies.

Its nothing to do with politics or location. Its because scousers cant support Rooney and mancs cant support Gerrard etc.

Chips on both shoulders, Utd and Liverpool fans.. the blue side of both cities are more pragmatic and genuine football fans IMO...

I struggled when crouchy, Defoe and Johnson played for the skates, but did never not support them in an England kit.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Its the same excuse rolled out by mancs as well as scousers..
As someone who has followed a lower league club all my life and followed England around Europe I can confirm very few premier league fans bothered with England until it became trendy again. And the vast majority of England away fans were Northerners. Not scousers or mancs, but lancastrians, yorkies and geordies.

Its nothing to do with politics or location. Its because scousers cant support Rooney and mancs cant support Gerrard etc.

Chips on both shoulders, Utd and Liverpool fans.. the blue side of both cities are more pragmatic and genuine football fans IMO...

Can you please explain why Liverpool fans ( and Man UTD ) aren't "genuine football fans"

 

[davemc1]

Thought this thread was about the premiership? If use wanna talk about England, start a thread about them.

Personally, I'm still dreaming it's Liverpool, but more in hope than expectation

 

[Slime]

Can you please explain why Liverpool fans ( and Man UTD ) aren't "genuine football fans"

Ditto the above .......................


Slime.

 

[Jack_bfc]

Because they cant separate club players and support them in an England shirt.

Its a fairly gross generalization but drawn from working in and around Manchester and Liverpool for 25+ years and following England back in the day....

Anyway I've given up football to play golf so don't really want to get into a debate about this. Fore!!!!!!

 

[Papas1982]

Ditto the above .......................


Slime.

My only thought on this is that as bigger clubs you have more hangers on. That's not too suggest there aren't plenty of genuine fans. But as someone who now lives in Kent, I've lost count of the fans of bigger clubs than Southampton mock my opinions on footy as I support little Southampton. Despite me having visited all the big grounds more often than a large portion of their armchairs fans.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Because they cant separate club players and support them in an England shirt.

Its a fairly gross generalization but drawn from working in and around Manchester and Liverpool for 25+ years and following England back in the day....

Anyway I've given up football to play golf so don't really want to get into a debate about this. Fore!!!!!!

My lack of support for England has nothing to do with being unable to separate club players

And even if some can't it doesn't stop them being genuine football fans - it's a nonsense statement.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

My only thought on this is that as bigger clubs you have more hangers on. That's not too suggest there aren't plenty of genuine fans. But as someone who now lives in Kent, I've lost count of the fans of bigger clubs than Southampton mock my opinions on footy as I support little Southampton. Despite me having visited all the big grounds more often than a large portion of their armchairs fans.

Who people support should have no bearing on their knowledge of the game