What's more important ?

[Hobbit]

I dont like the countries of the UK having different policies on dealing with Covid-19. How on earth can it be right to have different easing of restriction policies?

A similar comment was made by the WHO very early on this year about different countries having different responses. The comment was made when asked about the UK's response of herd immunity as opposed to lockdowns.

Politically, the other countries in the UK have devolved powers. Its their choice. Maybe England needs to adopt the same policies as the other countries. Unfortunately, its the way it is all around the world. Ireland may have different policies to Northern Ireland. Spain has different policies to Portugal and France.

At least we don't live in the USA.

 

[Slab]

A similar comment was made by the WHO very early on this year about different countries having different responses. The comment was made when asked about the UK's response of herd immunity as opposed to lockdowns.

Politically, the other countries in the UK have devolved powers. Its their choice. Maybe England needs to adopt the same policies as the other countries. Unfortunately, its the way it is all around the world. Ireland may have different policies to Northern Ireland. Spain has different policies to Portugal and France.

At least we don't live in the USA.

You can say this even for the years there's no pandemic

 

[GreiginFife]

I dont like the countries of the UK having different policies on dealing with Covid-19. How on earth can it be right to have different easing of restriction policies?

Maybe because not all countries are populated and affected in the same way. Not saying its the answer but it may be a consideration that countries are not one size fits all in how they are made up.

 

[SocketRocket]

Maybe because not all countries are populated and affected in the same way. Not saying its the answer but it may be a consideration that countries are not one size fits all in how they are made up.

That's ok if there are travel restrictions between countries but there's not.

 

[Slab]

That's ok if there are travel restrictions between countries but there's not.

I guess they'll just have to factor cross border travel into the exit strategy then, given everything that needs considered it doesn't sound like a deal breaker issue though

 

[SocketRocket]

A similar comment was made by the WHO very early on this year about different countries having different responses. The comment was made when asked about the UK's response of herd immunity as opposed to lockdowns.

Politically, the other countries in the UK have devolved powers. Its their choice. Maybe England needs to adopt the same policies as the other countries. Unfortunately, its the way it is all around the world. Ireland may have different policies to Northern Ireland. Spain has different policies to Portugal and France.

At least we don't live in the USA.

I don't think this should be a devolved issue in the uk, it's too serious for that. What if one country decided to stop lock-out early and created another UK wide spike in infections. I don't want regional politics involved in dealing with this, we have a UK National assembly for these type of issues.

 

[Slab]

I don't think this should be a devolved issue in the uk, it's too serious for that. What if one country decided to stop lock-out early and created another UK wide spike in infections. I don't want regional politics involved in dealing with this, we have a UK National assembly for these type of issues.

But hasn't it been widely reported and accepted that 9 out of 10 people in the UK were compliant to the lock-down (a couple of weeks back, its less now), so 5.9 million people in England were not properly observing the lockdown

Scotland's population is only 5.5 million, the risk from within would seem as great as anything Scotland could do

 

[Slab]

You attributed the 10% of the UK population to all being in England there.

sorry, typo, england population 55.98 million so I did round up a smidge, & means 5.6 mil in england not compliant and still higher then total population of scotland

 

[SocketRocket]

But hasn't it been widely reported and accepted that 9 out of 10 people in the UK were compliant to the lock-down (a couple of weeks back, its less now), so 5.9 million people in England were not properly observing the lockdown

Scotland's population is only 5.5 million, the risk from within would seem as great as anything Scotland could do

I think these numbers are an exaggeration, from what I see the vast majority are compliant, look at the huge drop off of infections in the London area alone.

 

[Slab]

I think these numbers are an exaggeration, from what I see the vast majority are compliant, look at the huge drop off of infections in the London area alone.

90%compliant is a vast majority
It still means the non compliant portion is 5.6 million in England but you seemed more concerned by a slightly smaller number in another country who might cross a border

 

[SocketRocket]

90%compliant is a vast majority
It still means the non compliant portion is 5.6 million in England but you seemed more concerned by a slightly smaller number in another country who might cross a border

Where did I say anything about England? I am talking about the UK working together with a common policy, it has to make sence.

 

[Swinglowandslow]

A similar comment was made by the WHO very early on this year about different countries having different responses. The comment was made when asked about the UK's response of herd immunity as opposed to lockdowns.

Politically, the other countries in the UK have devolved powers. Its their choice. Maybe England needs to adopt the same policies as the other countries. Unfortunately, its the way it is all around the world. Ireland may have different policies to Northern Ireland. Spain has different policies to Portugal and France.

At least we don't live in the USA.

You do realise don't you, that there are only 4 -5 million in Scotland, and 3.5 million in Wales.
Slightly different scenarios?

Sweden have a low population but people keep comparing their figures with ours. ( I think what is helping Sweden is their latitude And ethnicity. Nearer to the Equator seems to be a factor?)
With such differences in populations, and therefore densities, comparisons are not too meaningful in a lot of respects.

 

[Captainron]

I’m in the camp of getting going again. Far too much trouble down the line with a failing economy which will cause more deaths than we will lose from C19.

 

[User20205]

I’m in the camp of getting going again. Far too much trouble down the line with a failing economy which will cause more deaths than we will lose from C19.

100% agree. We’ve seen off a spike, let’s crack on. We can’t stay hiding inside forever. Let the high risk self isolate if they want.
There’s enough capacity in the NHS, and enough spare capacity in the workforce to cope with any secondary peak. The only way we can see this off is to develop some resistance, can’t wait for a vaccine

 

[SocketRocket]

100% agree. We’ve seen off a spike, let’s crack on. We can’t stay hiding inside forever. Let the high risk self isolate if they want.
There’s enough capacity in the NHS, and enough spare capacity in the workforce to cope with any secondary peak. The only way we can see this off is to develop some resistance, can’t wait for a vaccine

Either a selfish attitude or a wind up. I thought you Socialist types believed in protecting the weak and vunerable in society, now its throw them to the wolves and let them take care of themselves and money is more important than looking after each other.

Its an interesting concept that creates such a paradoxical thought pattern in normal left wing thinkers. I guess the social principles are a thin vaneer.

 

[bluewolf]

Either a selfish attitude or a wind up. I thought you Socialist types believed in protecting the weak and vunerable in society, now its throw them to the wolves and let them take care of themselves and money is more important than looking after each other.

Its an interesting concept that creates such a paradoxical thought pattern in normal left wing thinkers.

Interesting pigeonholing there. Just for clarification. We don’t live in a “Socialist” system, so us “lefties” have to work within the system we do actually live in. A Capitalist system that is utterly fragile.

What is actually interesting is that the usual right wingers have suddenly decided that the economy isn’t the most important thing when affluent people are being affected ?

And yes, I’m pigeonholing too. It’s quite fun isn’t it?

It’s also interesting that you pulled up Rod, who was answering Cam’s post, but didn’t pull up Cam, who’s further Right than General Pinochet (his words, not mine)
Sorry Cam. Love you sweety ?

 

[Hobbit]

100% agree. We’ve seen off a spike, let’s crack on. We can’t stay hiding inside forever. Let the high risk self isolate if they want.
There’s enough capacity in the NHS, and enough spare capacity in the workforce to cope with any secondary peak. The only way we can see this off is to develop some resistance, can’t wait for a vaccine

There's an account of one of the American cities holding an end of lockdown party in the US after the first wave of Spanish flu. 100,000 attended a parade, and within a couple of months there was a second spike and a further 200,000 in that city and its surrounds died. The WHO are cautioning about rushing out of lockdown.

I'm not saying don't 'unlock' but lets see what experts say.

 

[BubbaP]

Japan, Tokyo is worth keeping an eye on. A few weeks back they were being credited for how well they had dealt with things, they are way down on the world stats. But have apparently recently had a spike and healthcare overwhelmed. That localised pace of spread is a risk.

 

[User20204]

Either a selfish attitude or a wind up. I thought you Socialist types believed in protecting the weak and vunerable in society, now its throw them to the wolves and let them take care of themselves and money is more important than looking after each other.

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If money wasn't more important than looking after each other, why is there so many poor people in the UK, why is there so many homeless in the UK and if money isn't more important than looking after people in the UK how do we have so many rich people running the country.

You're well on the way to getting me banned from here, sure you'll be disappointed in that

 

[Captainron]

We aren’t even self isolating properly. It’s not possible unless you are 100 self sufficient.