You're well on the way to getting me banned from here, sure you'll be disappointed in that
the only person that get us banned is ourselves. That's just hilarious.
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the only person that get us banned is ourselves. That's just hilarious.User20205
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Think it was St Louis (they may have been the example of enhanced social distancing...1920’s style, can’t remember off hand)
To counter this & sockets (in character rant) I’m not advocating a free for all.
There is a low risk of severe consequence to most of society. Let them crack on, pay for the social/health services required, whilst managing the high risk accordingly. No parties, no celebrating, just going back to work to get back some normality.
Socket....you didn’t win the boer war by hiding in your foxhole ?
User20205
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for the record, left of centre please !!!
Captainron
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the boer war was won by using a scorched earth policy and backing that up with concentration camps. We’re not quite there yet....
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it was won with sockets cold hard steel,
‘They don’t like it up em’
Or was that the Sudan ???
I'm not advocating a full on lockdown either, just caution and listen to the experts.
User20204
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I can resist everything except temptation
SocketRocket
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Maybe us Torys are also concerned for the vunerable in society, if we cant do that then what kind of people are we? Rod suggests we crack on and the vunerable can take care of them selves. Come on now Danny, do you subscribe to a society that promotes this kind of policy? I know I dont, let's put the cards on the table and see who these 'high risk' people are that we would tell to 'self isolate if they want' ? Old, people with heart, lung or other serious conditions, severely disabled people, who are they! If that's what is being suggested then it's not a country or society I want to be a part of but when I read through these threads I see people like yourself and others who normally sit of the left side of the political spectrum making or supporting these comments.
Regarding Cam, whoever he is I must have missed his post or maybe I read it and got to the straw that broke the camels back with rod. If you call pigeon holeing the type of poster that supports these policies then yes, guilty as accused.
SocketRocket
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I dont find this a humerous topic but crack on if it makes you feel better.
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You don’t constantly have to deal in hot takes & hyperbole.
The bit you object to ('high risk' people are that we would tell to 'self isolate if they want')
How have you got to the bit where they are left to fend for themselves?
I know it doesn’t suit your reactionary posting style but it’s possible for most of society to maintain some semblance of normal activity whilst supporting the vulnerable? We accept social distancing is with us for the foreseeable, why can’t a balance be struck between the 2 extremes?
SocketRocket
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Stop backtracking. If you're going to make posts suggesting we crack on and let the vunerable take care of themselves then either own up to it or apologise for it. Making silly comments about me doesnt change what you posted.
SocketRocket
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The contentious part was 'If they like' which suggests it's up to them but we are cracking on.
If you said we could look at an ordered policy of starting up certain sectors of business as the infection rates become low enough and would not be seen to spike again, while supporting vunerable people over a longer period I would agree with that, but you didnt, did you, and you continue to use silly insults towards me to try and divert your original post.
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I didn’t & I’m not. Read again what I posted. I can provide a summary. Those most vulnerable, or perceive they are vulnerable/at risk can isolate for as long as required. There is enough capacity of any kind to manage this. The rest of us can go about minimising the economic fallout, which is directly connected to management of point 1. Clear?
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Sure this is fascinating to everyone else, but it’s kind of what I said. Maybe you wouldn’t leave yourself so wide open if you weren’t wound so tight?
SocketRocket
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And maybe if you just admitted your first post was worded badly so it looked insensitive then we no one would be turning keys.
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Look, if you have an issue with what Rod posted, then take it up with Rod. Turning it into a silly little attack on “the Left” was adolescent point scoring, and quite frankly beneath you.
And, FWIW, as someone “at risk” due to a heart condition. I know exactly what I’m saying. I don’t like being put in a situation where I have to focus on the Economy, at the expense of my health. Yet that’s the situation I’m in as that’s the Society we live in. Pretending that we don’t benefits no one, and could be seen as abdicating responsibility so that other people are blamed for the decisions they are going to have to make.
Oh, and please don’t start a discussion about protecting the vulnerable. Very few people in this country seem to care about the vulnerable when they’re also poor. But as soon as they’re rich, we’re all in this together. Strange times.
SocketRocket
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I took it up with Rod and made a comment on how I often read posts on here by people who normally show socialist concerns for the vunerable but now seem to be suggesting we let the fit and healthy back to normal and damn the consequences on the rest. If he didnt mean that then he worded it badly.
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Rod agreed with CapnRon, who is very VERY far from left wing.
I am centre left, and I agree with relaxing the lockdown, whilst isolating those most vulnerable, as I can see what this is doing to our economy. I’m not happy that I have to put the economy before my health, but I’m also not going to sit back and allow other people to make decisions whilst distancing myself from them.
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Please show me the ‘damn the rest’ bit in the original post. Hobbit rightly guarded against completely easing current sanctions, I clarified.
Unfortunately, you’ve misunderstood the point, and gone a little bit ranty.
To be honest Rod, I read the above as SR read it. I penned a reply but decided not to post up, preferring to see how the 'conversation' developed. You later qualified your post
However, "enough capacity in the NHS..." Is there enough capacity? There's now several Nightingale's and pretty much every hospital has extended its Critical Care Areas. The production of vents and research also continues at pace. Two things; there may well be a second spike, but we don't know how big. Also, what about staffing levels? Staffing levels is, to me, a greater concern. Managing vented patients isn't something you learn in 5 minutes and, ideally, is done on a 1-2-1 basis. And if you're losing staff at the same time... I genuinely don't know how it would pan out.
As for the herd immunity you propose, the govt switched direction away from that when it became obvious it was too costly in terms of the abrupt rise in infection rates. Why will it suddenly become acceptable?
In truth, we don't know if there's enough capacity in the NHS, nor do we know how expensive in lives developing herd immunity would be.
Spain relaxed the lockdown for non-essential workers 2 weeks ago - the need for foodbanks just exploded, and the posts on FB from people needing food or have been threatened with eviction, even though that's illegal during lockdown, are heart breaking. We'll see in the next 2 weeks if that relation causes a second spike.
You're right, lockdown has to end, but its how it ends that's important. And your post above; what we write and how its read can, occasionally, be two different things.
