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So the 28 HC gets punished ? Why ?
what would you like to see changed about the handicap system in the UK
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So the 28 HC gets punished ? Why ?
moogie
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I've no problem with anybody getting 28 shots against the course
Somebody getting 2 shots a hole in Matchplay.......??.......well....., howay, just don't seem right
This is possibly 1 of the scenarios Karen may have been getting at in another post...??
Somebody getting 2 shots a hole in Matchplay.......??.......well....., howay, just don't seem right
This is possibly 1 of the scenarios Karen may have been getting at in another post...??
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Why isn't it right ?
I played against a 27 HC so gave him 22 shots - it was a tight match and him getting two shots on the 4 harder holes was right - he doubled 2 of them and tripled the other day.
They get those shots because their HC reflects their ability
It's was actually the shots he was getting on the par threes that were doing well for him
rosecott
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I'm pretty confident that Karen would be quite capable of making par on a hole where a high handicapper lady could be struggling to make double bogey - a 36 handicap needs 2 shots on every hole just to play to handicap.
FairwayDodger
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Do people still think SI reflects the difficulty of the hole?
At my place you'd have been giving that guy two shots at a 160 yard downhill par 3. That's always fun.
rosecott
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Yes, I'm afraid they still do - and probably always will. I have got to the stage where I can't be bothered any more to explain how SIs should be allocated.
Does it not confuse people the fact you get your shots on these in Stableford and a 1 handicap gets his one shot on SI 1?
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I know how the SI is distributed around the course and why but thankfully the degree of difficulty of each is actually pretty reflected by our SI with exception of our first and last which could be lower
Imurg
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As well we know, many people do still think this because at many clubs that's how it's done....
If you've only ever played at courses that allocate SI's to difficulty, how would you ever know any different..?
cookelad
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I'd have a 0.1 amnesty for a few comps after a cut, I don't know anyone who hasn't known the joy of a cut being quickly squashed a 0.1 the following week putting them back up!
(On recent results I'd also like to see the buffer zones a little bigger too!!)
(On recent results I'd also like to see the buffer zones a little bigger too!!)
What like 10 shots
Its a Shame Bomber 69 is no longer on the forum, i'd be interested in his take on this tread
cookelad
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What like 10 shots
Easy for you to say with SSS at +2 :lol: 1 Comp last year I got 0.1 back off 35 points!
Fyldewhite
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Read through this with interest.
1. Max 18. Why is this magical "shot a hole" limit deemed important? It's neat, I'll give you that, but the handicap system is meant to level the playing field not make the life of someone who basically struggles worse by taking shots off them.
2. Allocation - More cards and more flexibility may help stop initial allocations too low and increase confidence in general but has to be balanced against the length of time to get new members "up and running". People who get 10 at a new club after having played to 5 before are simply cheats, and the committee doing the allocating are incompetent if they are aware of the facts.
3. Matchplay Full difference - Yes, we've all lost to a high handicapper. Live with it. Full difference is not only logical and fair but statistically still slightly favours the low man. We were the only place in the world that played 3/4 you know! Oh, and our KO has been won by a player in double figures only once since 2008, and that was 12.
4. SI - Absolutely irrelevant. In any good stableford round you will have probably one blob at worst and probably none so it makes absolutely no difference about 95% of the time. In matchplay, as someone mentioned it's harder to give a shot on a long par 3 than a medium or long par 4. That's one reason statistically high scoring holes are not necessarily the best to be low index in this format.
1. Max 18. Why is this magical "shot a hole" limit deemed important? It's neat, I'll give you that, but the handicap system is meant to level the playing field not make the life of someone who basically struggles worse by taking shots off them.
2. Allocation - More cards and more flexibility may help stop initial allocations too low and increase confidence in general but has to be balanced against the length of time to get new members "up and running". People who get 10 at a new club after having played to 5 before are simply cheats, and the committee doing the allocating are incompetent if they are aware of the facts.
3. Matchplay Full difference - Yes, we've all lost to a high handicapper. Live with it. Full difference is not only logical and fair but statistically still slightly favours the low man. We were the only place in the world that played 3/4 you know! Oh, and our KO has been won by a player in double figures only once since 2008, and that was 12.
4. SI - Absolutely irrelevant. In any good stableford round you will have probably one blob at worst and probably none so it makes absolutely no difference about 95% of the time. In matchplay, as someone mentioned it's harder to give a shot on a long par 3 than a medium or long par 4. That's one reason statistically high scoring holes are not necessarily the best to be low index in this format.
moogie
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Why......??
Because it's MY OPINION
I never said it wasn't right
I said, well, it doesn't seem right
Big diff
The whole topic is about changes you'd make
That's mine
There you go
Or I could just apologise for having an opinion that dares to differ to yours
Which do you prefer.....??
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Calm yourself down there - never said anything about apologising for having a differing opinion.
If people getting two shots in a match doesn't seem right - what about people who clearer need the extra shots due to their ability but still just come out week in week out to play the game ?
They have those extra shots for a reason surely ? Yet people think they shouldn't have them ?
What do you believe would be the positive effect of maxing out the amount of shots given in a KO matchplay to 18 ?
moogie
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upsidedown
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Off topic slightly.
HiD is off 30 and we always play matchplay with variations.
First one is out and out Medal, me off 0 and her 24
Second one is same but using stableford points
And last stableford point son the hole with me off 6 and she 30
This year we are at 11 - 9 to her with no obvious format favouring either of us.
Back on Topic, take men's handicap out to 36 and ladies 46 and play these in Divisons with cut off of 24 for men and 30 for ladies.
Taking it out would greatly encourage those who can't play to 28 or 36 to be more competitive in with their peers with resulting decreases in handicaps to allow them into mainstream comps .
It's fine trying to encourage younger people to play but how about opening it up people who want to but aren't just that good, there must be 1,000s out there.
In NZ played with two guys off 38 , no big dramas, new to the game and happy to help them along understanding etiquette, pace of play, little tips etc etc.
HiD is off 30 and we always play matchplay with variations.
First one is out and out Medal, me off 0 and her 24
Second one is same but using stableford points
And last stableford point son the hole with me off 6 and she 30
This year we are at 11 - 9 to her with no obvious format favouring either of us.
Back on Topic, take men's handicap out to 36 and ladies 46 and play these in Divisons with cut off of 24 for men and 30 for ladies.
Taking it out would greatly encourage those who can't play to 28 or 36 to be more competitive in with their peers with resulting decreases in handicaps to allow them into mainstream comps .
It's fine trying to encourage younger people to play but how about opening it up people who want to but aren't just that good, there must be 1,000s out there.
In NZ played with two guys off 38 , no big dramas, new to the game and happy to help them along understanding etiquette, pace of play, little tips etc etc.
Doon frae Troon
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1] Think it through, it is as fair as an 18 handicap golfer getting a shot on the easiest hole on the course
Slab
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But then your solution of a change to max 18 doesn't help in your example or mine
Not pretending I have the answer either mind
