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I do remember the Annika incident well and it did sour the whole event and I'm entirely sure it has ever truely recovered since. In a club match I'd definitely be pulling the guy up. If its a pairs even then the team playing can decide whether this guy wants to come on or the partner can elect to play first.

Tiger, I wouldn't start worrying about these things yet. Get use to playing eighteen hole course first. The thing to remember about a competition is that if you aren't sure always ask how to proceed before playing a stroke or touching the ball in any way.
 
However, I then land closer to the pin as I hit a longer drive and advantage switches back to me as they have to play first and I can see where they end up. For example if they go out of bounds or in the water I can afford to be more conservative. Also I can see how the elements affect them. I can also see what club they use.
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Tiger, it's immaterial what club your opponent uses. he may need a 5-wood from 150 while you can get there with a wedge - and don't ask him what he used.
 
Tiger,
Having the honour at the tee is part of the psychology of the game. It means that you are winning, or at worst, halving the holes. It's a constant and visual reminder to your opponent that they are NOT winning any holes and you'll quite often find they sometimes make bad decisions because of this.
Going first (off the tee) is definitely an advantage in my opinion.
 
I thought this may clarify the rule for some as I've seen this happen in a club match.
You may ask to come on and if your opponent agrees, then no problem, even if you hole it.
If you don't ask and play from off the green when its not your turn, the opponent is within his rights to ask you to play it again
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In matchplay, aren't you both leaving yourselves liable to be D/Q'd for agreeing to waive a rule? (agreeing to play out of turn)
Decision 1-3/1 talks about this scenario on the tee, so presumably it would be the same elsewhere on the course.
The decision also goes on to mention that you would not get DQ'd if you didn't realise that you'd broken the rule.
 
I'm going to have to re-read this thread as I'm now more confused than before this thread started. :D

The irony is that for 20 years I could wrap other yachters up regarding the rules and I never lost a protest case, (either against me, or against another competitor). I could use the rules to my advantage in any given situation. So why am I struggling with this game. The rules in golf are largely regarding a static object(a stopped ball) on a static platform (land). Yacht racing is a dynamic object (boat), on a dynamic platform (the sea, tides etc), and so is constantly changing every second. How and why is it so difficult for me to get my head around!
 
Interesting to hear your perspectives, especially RickG's on the honour. Though the rules still seem a little barking to a newbie I can see that how you view those rules can play an important part in how you approach the game. Will definitely be viewing the honour differently now. My aim is to know the rules, hence my recent purchase of the pocket guide, so I don't get caught out. But today I've learnt that how you interpret the rule pyschologically is just as important. Thanks for your views.
 
I thought this may clarify the rule for some as I've seen this happen in a club match.
You may ask to come on and if your opponent agrees, then no problem, even if you hole it.
If you don't ask and play from off the green when its not your turn, the opponent is within his rights to ask you to play it again
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In matchplay, aren't you both leaving yourselves liable to be D/Q'd for agreeing to waive a rule? (agreeing to play out of turn)
Decision 1-3/1 talks about this scenario on the tee, so presumably it would be the same elsewhere on the course.
The decision also goes on to mention that you would not get DQ'd if you didn't realise that you'd broken the rule.
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from my understanding isn't breach of the honour rule only penalised when both parties agree to play in the wrong order to intentionally gain advantage.
 
Hapless - go and read the Rule Book!!

Match Play - whoever won the last hole plays first from the tee then whoever is furthest away (whereever they are) plays first - if you play out of turn then your opponent can ask you to play again or choose not too

Medal - lowest score goes first then furthest from the hole plays but if you play out of turn then it doesn't matter...

What's difficult about that?
 
Hapless - go and read the Rule Book!!

Match Play - whoever won the last hole plays first from the tee then whoever is furthest away (whereever they are) plays first - if you play out of turn then your opponent can ask you to play again or choose not too

Medal - lowest score goes first then furthest from the hole plays but if you play out of turn then it doesn't matter...

What's difficult about that?
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Piece of cake when it's put like that. That's what I like about your comments Sam. No dicking around!!

So being on or off the green is totally irrelevant then? It's just a bad habit that we've picked up.
 
Where you are is irrelevant, it whoever is furthest away - in social golf the accepted norm is play when in the right order but no-ones gonna lose any sleep if you chip onto the green or putt out or hit off whilst your mate is on the phone.....
 
I thought this may clarify the rule for some as I've seen this happen in a club match.
You may ask to come on and if your opponent agrees, then no problem, even if you hole it.
If you don't ask and play from off the green when its not your turn, the opponent is within his rights to ask you to play it again
Click to expand...

In matchplay, aren't you both leaving yourselves liable to be D/Q'd for agreeing to waive a rule? (agreeing to play out of turn)
Decision 1-3/1 talks about this scenario on the tee, so presumably it would be the same elsewhere on the course.
The decision also goes on to mention that you would not get DQ'd if you didn't realise that you'd broken the rule.
Click to expand...

from my understanding isn't breach of the honour rule only penalised when both parties agree to play in the wrong order to intentionally gain advantage.
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In stroke play ---yes,(rule 10-2c) but in match play no...reason being that in stroke play it is not against the rules to play out of order it is just etiquette, (unless you are trying to obtain an advantage).

However in Match Play, it is a rule that players play in the correct order (10-1). There is no penalty incurred and the opponent has the OPTION to immediately recall the stroke, however, if they BOTH agree to allow play out of sequence BEFORE THE STROKE IS PLAYED then under decision 1-3/1 both players could be DQ'd for agreeing to waive a rule.....

If neither are aware of this rule, then they are NOT DQ'd as in order to knowingly waive a rule, you have to know that you have broken the rule in the first place.......
clear as mud :D
 
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