Ethan
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Yep.
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bobmac
Major Champion
I thought this may clarify the rule for some as I've seen this happen in a club match.
You may ask to come on and if your opponent agrees, then no problem, even if you hole it.
If you don't ask and play from off the green when its not your turn, the opponent is within his rights to ask you to play it again
You may ask to come on and if your opponent agrees, then no problem, even if you hole it.
If you don't ask and play from off the green when its not your turn, the opponent is within his rights to ask you to play it again
PhilTheFragger
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So we are all agreed then
The Rules say it is furthest from the hole irrespective of lie
If you are playing in a medal, then it is Ok to wait until all of you are on the green
But if you are playing with yer mates, you make up your own rules as you go along as long as all agree
Glad I got it clarified
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The Rules say it is furthest from the hole irrespective of lie
If you are playing in a medal, then it is Ok to wait until all of you are on the green
But if you are playing with yer mates, you make up your own rules as you go along as long as all agree
Glad I got it clarified
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bobmac
Major Champion
To speed up play, a player may come on if agreed by the other player eitherwise you have the flag out, flag in, flag out, flag in again, but you must ask first.
moonraker
Assistant Pro
agree with that, so you offer him to come on the green he say's ok can i have the flag out, do you then say sorry i will put frist
jammydodger
Tour Winner
I've always played furthest away has next shot irrespective of where the ball is. Sometimes you ask if it's ok to come on (the green) and a simple answer of yes of no will suffice. Never play out of turn unless you have cleared it with your opponent. It saves tears before bedtime
Tiger
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What I found interesting was the difference of opinion of those that knew the rule but still wouldn't make them play it again.
I wonder if the 'rules is rules is rules' people would have made them replay it if they'd hit a duff shot across to the other side of the green?
It's not the winning, it's the taking apart that counts!
I wonder if the 'rules is rules is rules' people would have made them replay it if they'd hit a duff shot across to the other side of the green?
It's not the winning, it's the taking apart that counts!
Mike_j_golf
Q-School Graduate
If it was a inter club match and u didn't make him play it again u are letting you team mates down giving away holes u are not going to make him play it again if he makes a mess of it its up to u he can't say oh I played out of turn i'll take that again u have to give him the option. If its a friendly game u say great shot u Bas***d but it was my turn to play I should make u play that again.
Mike
Mike
Tiger
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This is where I suppose I don't really get golf. As a newbie to the sport the honour rule is a strange one. Taking matchplay as an example:
If I won the last hole, surely it would be to my advantage to tee off second. That way I get to see how the other player approaches the hole and how the elements affect their ball. Instead I go first.
However, I then land closer to the pin as I hit a longer drive and advantage switches back to me as they have to play first and I can see where they end up. For example if they go out of bounds or in the water I can afford to be more conservative. Also I can see how the elements affect them. I can also see what club they use.
We then get to the green. I'm 20 feet away on the green he's 10 feet away in the rough. My honour again. Surely, it's to his advantage to know how I play my stroke. He plays his first and I get to penalise him. It just seems odd. Unless he gained some advantage by playing first (I can't think of one but you may be able to help me) I'm stumped.
People often refer to playing in the spirit of the game but I'm really confused as to what that is when you penalise people for inadvertently playing out of turn. My opinion may well change when I start playing competitive matches, but I only pull people up on rules when they have gained a clear advantage from breaching them and in terms of playing BEFORE it's your turn, I don't see what the advantage is?
Explanations much appreciated as the way I see it, the honour ruling is merely a codification of the etiquette held in the early days of the sport.
If I won the last hole, surely it would be to my advantage to tee off second. That way I get to see how the other player approaches the hole and how the elements affect their ball. Instead I go first.
However, I then land closer to the pin as I hit a longer drive and advantage switches back to me as they have to play first and I can see where they end up. For example if they go out of bounds or in the water I can afford to be more conservative. Also I can see how the elements affect them. I can also see what club they use.
We then get to the green. I'm 20 feet away on the green he's 10 feet away in the rough. My honour again. Surely, it's to his advantage to know how I play my stroke. He plays his first and I get to penalise him. It just seems odd. Unless he gained some advantage by playing first (I can't think of one but you may be able to help me) I'm stumped.
People often refer to playing in the spirit of the game but I'm really confused as to what that is when you penalise people for inadvertently playing out of turn. My opinion may well change when I start playing competitive matches, but I only pull people up on rules when they have gained a clear advantage from breaching them and in terms of playing BEFORE it's your turn, I don't see what the advantage is?
Explanations much appreciated as the way I see it, the honour ruling is merely a codification of the etiquette held in the early days of the sport.
Mike_j_golf
Q-School Graduate
It is usually an advantage to go first if u go first and hit a good shot then the pressure is on your opponent he has to hit a good one if u are going second the pressure is always more if the other person has hit a good shot I remember Els hitting short of Monty in a US open to give himself a chance to hit it close first and put pressure on Monty and it worked (think it was a US open)its only an advantage to go second if your opponent makes a mess of the hole as they first in usually wins the hole.
Mike
Mike
Tiger
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Still don't get it. That can only be the case if you go first AND hit a great shot. You could just as easily go first and hit a bad shot and take all the pressure off your opponent.
bobmac
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You're learning
Robobum
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bobmac
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I remember it well.
I wonder if that lead to all the war paint they wear now?
I wonder if that lead to all the war paint they wear now?
Tiger
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That's crazy, really, really crazy! I'm saddened by this and am starting to dread playing in competitions if this is what it's like. If I 'test' the sand before a bunker shot or tee off in front of the markers fair enough. But playing out of turn, it just seems bonkers to me. Especially as the rules are very clearly trying to say it doesn't really matter unless you are gaining unfair advantage. Call me naive but it's not sportsmanship in my book.
jammydodger
Tour Winner
I was thinking about this as I was reading the thread. Poor old Annika she was really cut up about it. Bad show from the USA though as they stood and watched her do it without mentioning it was their turn...left a bad taste in the mouth all round.
As for the advantages of going first or second I would prefer to go first to put the pressure on. Wouldnt enter my head that I may hit a duffer or bad shot. Amazing what a bit of pressure does to the thought processes of some people. It's negative thinking to want to go second imo
freddielong
Tour Winner
That's crazy, really, really crazy! I'm saddened by this and am starting to dread playing in competitions if this is what it's like. If I 'test' the sand before a bunker shot or tee off in front of the markers fair enough. But playing out of turn, it just seems bonkers to me. Especially as the rules are very clearly trying to say it doesn't really matter unless you are gaining unfair advantage. Call me naive but it's not sportsmanship in my book.
It is only matchplay where this is relevant and unfortunatly you don't get to play it that often anymore, matchplay is all about you playing against your opponent so pressure is an important weapon, don't worry about it its all good fun.
Robobum
Money List Winner
That's the key thing for me, if you see that your oppo is about to play out of turn then you need to say at that point and not just bring it up after they have boxed it.
Bad enough in a match at our standard but the amount of time that would have been taken by Anneka and her partner over this shot gave the Americans more than ample opportunity to point it out.
freddielong
Tour Winner
Thats the whole point she may have shanked it and obviously they wouldn't have asked her to replay it, IMO Anneka was in the wrong for not checking she knows the score and to get upset about it was also wrong.
viscount17
Money List Winner
not true in matchplay doubles as partners can decide who putts first.
I'm in the 'it's the further from the pin irrespective of on or off the green' camp.
I think it's generally played as 'get everyone on the green' for convenience.
I'm in the 'it's the further from the pin irrespective of on or off the green' camp.
I think it's generally played as 'get everyone on the green' for convenience.
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